Disguise Other


Rules Questions


The disguise other spell lacks any information in the saving throw/spell resistance line, a feature not uncommon in spells that reference most of their effect from another spell, however the spell it references (disguise self) is a personal spell and so it too lacks this information. I understand disguise other is meant to help your allies blend in in various situations, but couldn't one conceivably use this as a no-save means to make anyone appear as some horrible monster and cause a lynch mob?


Galtrug wrote:
I understand disguise other is meant to help your allies blend in in various situations, but couldn't one conceivably use this as a no-save means to make anyone appear as some horrible monster and cause a lynch mob?

No, read the spell, it is a bit more limited.

Basically +/- 1 foot to height. Thin or fat and maintain type (which is the main sticking point in your question). Then multiple and repeated saves for interaction (voice primarily).


You could change a person as the following:

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You make yourself - including clothing, armor, weapons, and equipment - look different. You can seem 1 foot shorter or taller, thin, fat, or in between. You cannot change your creature type (although you can appear as another subtype). Otherwise, the extent of the apparent change is up to you. You could add or obscure a minor feature or look like an entirely different person or gender.

So no, no "monsters". Only other creatures of the same type.


Still, turning someone into an orc, drow, duergar, goblin, or countless other things might work. Its true those interacting would get saves, but commoner might have a tendency to fail it while someone firing arrows at them might not be allowed one. It just seems odd you could radically alter one's appearance without their consent or allowing them the chance to resist.


Galtrug wrote:
Still, turning someone into an orc, drow, duergar, goblin, or countless other things might work. Its true those interacting would get saves, but commoner might have a tendency to fail it while someone firing arrows at them might not be allowed one. It just seems odd you could radically alter one's appearance without their consent or allowing them the chance to resist.

Don't let them touch you?

And again it is an illusion, which in certain circumstances can be powerful. But it won't hold under scrutiny, even with commoners. It isn't like there is only one chance to save, every interaction will prompt a roll. And once one person makes the roll, the rest can get bonuses to their rolls. It won't last.


If my party was fighting a Drow, and one of us, after having to roll a Will save, announced that the Drow is actually a fair maiden, I think the consensus would be that the party member in question, in fact, failed their Will save.


Quantum Steve wrote:
If my party was fighting a Drow, and one of us, after having to roll a Will save, announced that the Drow is actually a fair maiden, I think the consensus would be that the party member in question, in fact, failed their Will save.

Sadly a metagame response, but typical to most tables I imagine.


Skylancer4 wrote:
Quantum Steve wrote:
If my party was fighting a Drow, and one of us, after having to roll a Will save, announced that the Drow is actually a fair maiden, I think the consensus would be that the party member in question, in fact, failed their Will save.
Sadly a metagame response, but typical to most tables I imagine.

Assuming the maiden that only he can see is a trick is not metagaming.


Quantum Steve wrote:
Skylancer4 wrote:
Quantum Steve wrote:
If my party was fighting a Drow, and one of us, after having to roll a Will save, announced that the Drow is actually a fair maiden, I think the consensus would be that the party member in question, in fact, failed their Will save.
Sadly a metagame response, but typical to most tables I imagine.
Assuming the maiden that only he can see is a trick is not metagaming.

Without any sort of in game banter/conversation to realize the difference (as characters don't share instantaneous perceptions between themselves). It absolutely is.

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