Do spell caster getting weaker and weaker?


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Dustin Heaton wrote:
Veilgn wrote:
Alexandros Satorum wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
If all your foes are making their saves...
then cast spells that don't require saves (<== I like this one better)
I only know msgic missile.
First, magic missile is one of those spells that don't require saves, at least in Pathfinder. Second, you're playing an eighth level wizard and only know magic missile? Can't determine how many spells you should have started with without knowing your characters intelligence, bit you should know 14 spells just from the two free at every level.

You misunderstand something.

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Scorching Ray is a decent damage spell with no save.

Wall of Fire gives no save.

What is your Intelligence score? By level 8 you could easily have a 24. (20 base +2 from leveling, and a +2 headband) Along with Spell Focus & Greater Spell Focus, your level 4 DCs could easily be 23.

Also (a bit off topic) have you dipped 1 level in crossblooded sorcerer for +2 damage per die? :P


Charon's Little Helper wrote:

Scorching Ray is a decent damage spell with no save.

Wall of Fire gives no save.

What is your Intelligence score? By level 8 you could easily have a 24. (20 base +2 from leveling, and a +2 headband) Along with Spell Focus & Greater Spell Focus, your level 4 DCs could easily be 23.

Also (a bit off topic) have you dipped 1 level in crossblooded sorcerer for +2 damage per die? :P

I am a wizard. Neber like sorcs.

My int score 22.

Still miss from frog.

Also scorching ray require range touch.


Most spells aren't 'insta-win' spells, you have to make a ranged touch, have a monster fail a save, or set up a situation which hinders them (walls) or helps your party (haste).

However, you are correct that there are very few auto-hit, no save, damage spells. But even magic missile can be completely defeated by a 1st level shield spell.


Could you post your character build so we can look at it? It's easier to help when we have all of the details.


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Veilgn wrote:
Charon's Little Helper wrote:

Scorching Ray is a decent damage spell with no save.

Wall of Fire gives no save.

What is your Intelligence score? By level 8 you could easily have a 24. (20 base +2 from leveling, and a +2 headband) Along with Spell Focus & Greater Spell Focus, your level 4 DCs could easily be 23.

Also (a bit off topic) have you dipped 1 level in crossblooded sorcerer for +2 damage per die? :P

I am a wizard. Neber like sorcs.

My int score 22.

Still miss from frog.

Also scorching ray require range touch.

Assuming a 3rd level spell (for example, Lightning Bolt) and no feats to boost your spell DCs:

10 + spell level + intelligence modifier = spell DC
10 + 3 + 6 = 19 DC

Frog needs to roll a 10 or higher (+9 reflex) to meet the DC. There's a 55% chance of that on any individual roll. Even failing 4x in a row is 0.55^4 = 9% chance, which will occasionally happen. Since we don't know too many specifics, I'd have to say it's possible the GM was just rolling well and wasn't cheating.

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