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What would the CR of an ancient red dragon be without the ability to cast any spells. No caster lv, no spells, no magic. (Still can breath fire). Due to a campaign base encounter, I need to figure this out. A standard ancient red dragons CR is 19.
Any help would be appreciated.
Looking at other critters without spells/spell like abilities I would say 16 or 17. Spells are not the reason that dragons are so feared.
A Bandersnatch is CR 17 with similar stats to a spell-less ancient red dragon.
Thanks for the impute. I think I'll go withrough a cr of 17.