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Adjule |
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Dragonborn are a D&D race that is not open gaming content, and as such cannot be an official part of Pathfinder.
Actually, dragonborn are open gaming content now. They are included in the 5th Edition SRD, so Paizo could, if they wanted to, convert over the dragonborn to Pathfinder in a future book. It's doubtful, but it is possible, now.
EltonJ |
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Dragonborn are a D&D race that is not open gaming content, and as such cannot be an official part of Pathfinder.
No, I'm sure they are open content.
zainale |
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i don't care if they are open content or closed content. i asked what they were. and what my rule lawyer says is that they are kobolds. i don't think so. but i also think he is an annoying young whipper snapper. kobolds a cool little creatures but nothing like half dragons. maybe if a dragon reproduced with a kinder you might get a kobold.
Zaister |
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Zaister wrote:Dragonborn are a D&D race that is not open gaming content, and as such cannot be an official part of Pathfinder.No, I'm sure they are open content.
Interesting. I completely forgot about Fifth Edition D&D having open content.
Zaister |
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i don't care if they are open content or closed content. i asked what they were. and what my rule lawyer says is that they are kobolds. i don't think so. but i also think he is an annoying young whipper snapper. kobolds a cool little creatures but nothing like half dragons. maybe if a dragon reproduced with a kinder you might get a kobold.
Well, regardless of open or closed content, dragonborn are not part of the Pathfinder RPG unless houseruled, so there is no lore about them, or rules to lawyer. Anything else is either from D&D or third party stuff. But since you asked in the "Pathfinder RPG General Discussion" foum, I assumed you wanted to know about dragonborn in the context of the Pathfinder RPG, and there is no such official information.
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i don't care if they are open content or closed content. i asked what they were. and what my rule lawyer says is that they are kobolds. i don't think so. but i also think he is an annoying young whipper snapper. kobolds a cool little creatures but nothing like half dragons. maybe if a dragon reproduced with a kinder you might get a kobold.
Rude.
You post about "dragonborn" with your own impression that they're descended from half-dragons. THEN post that you're mainly here to try and prove a "rules-lawyer" in your party wrong. But before the "I wanna show up the rules lawyer and put him in his place" reveal everyone here rightly assumed you were talking about dragonborn in context to Pathfinder rules and lore, which they explained there isn't any because "dragonborn" isn't a Pathfinder thing, because they initially weren't open content and while they are now they still haven't been translated to Pathfinder rules.
Then you shoot down everyone's explanations of the situation because you're still not really understanding that such a term doesn't apply in Pathfinder/Golarion lore which a quick search in the available Pathfinder races would have shown. It looks like you mostly got an issue with someone else in the party having a different opinion on the what term "dragonborn" is supposed to mean amongst your party: You = big half-dragon-esque creatures; "rules lawyer" = kobolds are descended/offshoots of dragons.
Bandw2 |
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i don't care if they are open content or closed content. i asked what they were. and what my rule lawyer says is that they are kobolds. i don't think so. but i also think he is an annoying young whipper snapper. kobolds a cool little creatures but nothing like half dragons. maybe if a dragon reproduced with a kinder you might get a kobold.
Kobolds ARE in some way descended from dragons in pathfinder, their abilities and feats are too close to say otherwise and they believe it themselves, though there isn't any given reason for it happening I believe.
besides ability scores everything is there.
wings, ability to breathe deadly stuff at people, etc.
however, kobolds aren't half anything, they're just kobolds, a weird race with non-specific but definite connections to dragons.
Bloodrealm |
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zainale wrote:i don't care if they are open content or closed content. i asked what they were. and what my rule lawyer says is that they are kobolds. i don't think so. but i also think he is an annoying young whipper snapper. kobolds a cool little creatures but nothing like half dragons. maybe if a dragon reproduced with a kinder you might get a kobold.Kobolds ARE in some way descended from dragons in pathfinder, their abilities and feats are too close to say otherwise and they believe it themselves, though there isn't any given reason for it happening I believe.
besides ability scores everything is there.
wings, ability to breathe deadly stuff at people, etc.
however, kobolds aren't half anything, they're just kobolds, a weird race with non-specific but definite connections to dragons.
Kobolds have three widely believed creation myths about them, according to the Pathfinder Wiki page, but yeah, nothing definite. Why are we talkign about Dragonborn, anyway? They're boring. Kobolds are better.
zainale |
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The (d20) Modern SRD has an entry for "Dragonblooded Humans". Their stats could be used for Dragonborn.
doing a search on that "dragonblooded humans" lead me to finding Dragonblood Chymist. it sounds pretty cool and i do enjoy playing the alchemist.
humans also have a racial trait called draconic heritage, and there's the trait that you helped me find called "blood of dragons"thanks, David!
seems like Pf wants us to know humans totally dig dragons. anyways you all have a good evening.
Cyrad RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16 |
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The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
Luthorne |
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master_marshmallow wrote:The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
Fear effects are usually necromancy, though, not enchantment. And paralysis can be evocation (blasphemy), necromancy (ghoul touch), and probably lots of non-enchantment monster abilities.
Bloodrealm |
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I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
Don't forget Smites. Dragons are weaker to Smites.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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master_marshmallow wrote:The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
As opposed to being treated as an elf for bane and favored enemy. Which kind of weapon do you think are orcs and drow more likely to have?
Bloodrealm |
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Cyrad wrote:As opposed to being treated as an elf for bane and favored enemy. Which kind of weapon do you think are orcs and drow more likely to have?master_marshmallow wrote:The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
Drow? Might have Smite Good. Pretty nasty if you're a Dragon.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:Drow? Might have Smite Good. Pretty nasty if you're a Dragon.Cyrad wrote:As opposed to being treated as an elf for bane and favored enemy. Which kind of weapon do you think are orcs and drow more likely to have?master_marshmallow wrote:The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
So you'll take extra damage on ONE hit. the rest is pretty much the same. I wouldn't base my race choice on one corner issue.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
Dragonborn like any other race term is a gaming construct. Now characters may refer to themselves as dragonborn, they could be the race that is described by this construct, or the race that is described as Kobolds, or even human barbarians who have a Dragon totem and no draconic blood in them at all.
Learn to separate out of character mechanics talk from in character roleplaying talk.
Ventnor |
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master_marshmallow wrote:The Dragonsoul Half-Elf seems to be the Paizo equivalent.
You give up either your human or your elf subytpe, and are treated as a dragon for things like favored enemy, but not for things like feats and prestige classes (so you can still go Dragon Disciple).
It's in Legacy of Dragons.
I never understood the benefit of that racial trait.
You gain a +2 on saving throws against sleep, paralysis, and fear effects, but you lose immunity to sleep effects and a +2 bonus to all enchantment effects. So the benefit is getting a much weaker version of a trait you lose. And you lose other beneficial traits. And you suffer the drawback of being treated as a dragon for bane and favored enemy.
There are also some spells in Legacy of Dragons that get added to your spell list for free (they have the [Draconic] descriptor) if you count as a dragon. That's also a benefit.