Monstrous grappling


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I have a character who seems to have accrued a grapple focus and is actually pretty good at it (CMB +16, grab on a hit with his punches and bite)
but the problem is that the main bosses of the campaign tend tords being enormous

how do I grapple things bigger than me?

(for the record I'm a gnoll feral soul oracle with the snake mystery)


Bigger targets interferes with the grab ability, and gives them a bonus to their CMD, but it doesn't actually prevent grapple attempts; it just makes it a lot harder. Size limitations don't appear to be in Pathfinder.

You could grapple the Tarrasque if you beat its CMD (or roll a 20).


There's no rule against grappling and tying up creatures of any size. There is a size restriction on Initiating a Grapple with Grab, but not on just Grappling.


Well, the easy way is to get yourself bigger... You can either buy a enlarge person wand, cast righteous might or use animal shapes (you get it thanks to your mystery at level 16).
There are other ways to grow, ask your gm or your wizzard (if you have one) to talk about it.

Shadow Lodge

My DM seems to be of differing opinions, I guess I'll ask him for a rules citation and then come back?
Also bazaku
One of the bosses is going to be size colossal+
Though so far they've only been size huge


Lord Foul II wrote:

My DM seems to be of differing opinions, I guess I'll ask him for a rules citation and then come back?

Also bazaku
One of the bosses is going to be size colossal+
Though so far they've only been size huge

Go ahead and go over the rules with him, I guess, but unless this is Pathfinder Society, the GM can overrule the rules as he likes.

You might consider the Harder they Fall Feat via 3 levels in Inquisitor, 1 Cavalier, or 2 in Fighter Eldritch Guardian.

Shadow Lodge

that'd be way too much of a dip
but I don't see why the dip would be required in the first place

is it so I get a familiar and/or the ability to share teamwork feats? I already have a familiar
and imp I got via the "noble scion" feat

but the DM said that he misread the rules there, grab still doesn't work, nor does trip or bull rush but a regular grapple does

one last question: does constrict work on enormous creatures?


Lord Foul II wrote:
that'd be way too much of a dip

Which is too much of a dip: 1 level in Cavalier, 2 levels in Fighter Eldritch Guardian, or 3 levels in Inquisitor? Any 1 of those 3 options can achieve the effect of activating your Teamwork Feat.

Lord Foul II wrote:

but I don't see why the dip would be required in the first place

is it so I get a familiar and/or the ability to share teamwork feats?

Yes. With 2 levels in Eldritch Guardian, your Familiar knows all the Combat Feats you know, and the Teamwork Feats I'm talking about are also Combat Feats. When you and your Familiar have Harder they Fall, you can Trip and Bull Rush creatures regardless of size

Lord Foul II wrote:
I already have a familiar

Levels in different Familiar-having classes stack with respect to your Familiar's level.

Lord Foul II wrote:
one last question: does constrict work on enormous creatures?

Yup. I just looked it up. Every successful Grapple Attack lets you add on the Constrict Damage.

Constrict, Universal Monster Rules, d20pfsrd.com wrote:
when it makes a successful grapple check

Grab and Constrict often go together, but they don't have to. If Grapple, then Constrict.

Shadow Lodge

cool

I'll just stick to Valet familiar archetype and be aware of that feat,

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