Is there a option for non-wizard spellcasters to get Arcane Bond?


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Particularly for the Item bond? I know there is the eldritch heritage feat line but that requires such a huge investment in terms of feats Two feats I think? Skill Focus and Eldritch Heritage Arcane?


Half Elf racial Bonded Witch Archetype.


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A bard can take "Arcane Duelist" archetype and get an arcane bond with a weapon (only) at level 5.


Mako Senako wrote:
Particularly for the Item bond? I know there is the eldritch heritage feat line but that requires such a huge investment in terms of feats Two feats I think? Skill Focus and Eldritch Heritage Arcane?

Quite a few classes have that option baked in. But keep in mind that since the main power of an arcane bond is based on spell knowledge, no one gets the utility of that power the way a wizard or arcanist would.


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Mako Senako wrote:
Particularly for the Item bond? I know there is the eldritch heritage feat line but that requires such a huge investment in terms of feats Two feats I think? Skill Focus and Eldritch Heritage Arcane?
Quite a few classes have that option baked in. But keep in mind that since the main power of an arcane bond is based on spell knowledge, no one gets the utility of that power the way a wizard or arcanist would.

I see, I just wanted to make a divine spellcaster who used a staff for casting her spells, as well as making it a viable melee weapon, (can you do that?) like in some of my favorite rpgs, where the mage or other spellcaster has that unique looking ornate staff that they use while casting, but can also club people with as if it were a quarterstaff or club.

I figured a divine caster would be a good substitute for this since they have medium BAB and usually medium armor. I was prepared to take some martial training feats to learn a few maneuvers and at least one stance for just such a situation.


Ecclisietheurge cleric gets a bonded holy symbol at 3rd level, but gives up armor proficiency.


You do not need to have it as an arcane bond to fluff things that way. You can just get a quarterstaff, put your holy symbol on it, and call it a done deal. If the staff has your holy symbol, then you can use it as a divine focus.

Even if your GM says no to these things, you can still just mime using it to cast spells.


Java Man wrote:
Ecclisietheurge cleric gets a bonded holy symbol at 3rd level, but gives up armor proficiency.

If you're willing to sacrifice a caster level, a 4 level dip into Holy Vindicator would get you proficiency in all armor and shields and martial weapons [except tower shields.] And a few interesting abilities.

So your 'staff of power' could be a greatclub if you felt like it.


If you're a full, half BAB, caster, with d6 hit dice, nothing, not even a staff of doing 3d8 dmg and doing criticals on a 15+ is a viable melee weapon, even if you got a magic item that gives you armor like you wore full place, you just want to avoid melee like the plague, it's just too dangerous.


Herald of the Horn skald archetype gets a bonded item as well.

Also look into the Create Reliquary Arms and Shields feat, if all you're after is a weapon (or armor) that functions as a holy symbol.

It just adds 250 gp to the cost, so you might be able to convince your GM to allow you to have one made by an NPC with such a feat.


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Mako Senako wrote:
Particularly for the Item bond? I know there is the eldritch heritage feat line but that requires such a huge investment in terms of feats Two feats I think? Skill Focus and Eldritch Heritage Arcane?

Skill Focus in any Knowledge Skill. A lot of people have a knowledge skill that could benefit from this, and half-elves get skill focus.


Well maybe this is the right place to ask, are their any cleric archetypes or options that substitute a feature for combat feats? Or perhaps even Oracle.


Mako Senako wrote:
Well maybe this is the right place to ask, are their any cleric archetypes or options that substitute a feature for combat feats? Or perhaps even Oracle.

No, but there is the Battle Oracle.


actually, there's the Crusader archetype from Ult Combat that exchanges severely reduced spellcasting for a few combat feats.


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Well, the Warpriest is basically a cleric/fighter hybrid. As for oracles, the Warsighted archetype gives you something resembling the Brawler's Martial Flexibility.


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Have you considered looking at the Occultist? The whole class is built around investing energy into objects, could be what you're looking for.

EDIT: The new Reliquarian archetype in particular seems to have the flavor you're going for.

There's also the Soul Warden PrC, which forces you to take an object as a divine focus (and it's a nice PrC, too.)

PPS: If you have any trouble wrapping your head around the Occultist, check out the excellent guide over on The Dice Decide (just Google Pathfinder Occultist Guide, you'll see it right away.)

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Skirnir Magus gets a bonded shield (and it's a prepared caster, so that gives them an extra spell per day).


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