If you're wanting Cure spells why not White Mage Arcanist?
I'm greedy, Harry. I want all spells, and spontaneous cure spells. The life of an OP :D lol
Edited: But that looks like the closest thing to it. I'll have to research it. Thanks for the heads up. Aside from the extra casting time, the Spell Sage is pretty amazing by itself too.
this is why all my friends quit pfs. its not fun everyone just power games there is zero challenge to it such ZZZzzzzZZZzzzzIf you're wanting Cure spells why not White Mage Arcanist?I'm greedy, Harry. I want all spells, and spontaneous cure spells. The life of an OP :D lol
Edited: But that looks like the closest thing to it. I'll have to research it. Thanks for the heads up. Aside from the extra casting time, the Spell Sage is pretty amazing by itself too.
I usually hold back a lot of the times to give non-power gamers a chance, and a lot of OP's I know do the same. So, we're not all that bad.
I mostly do it to learn more information rapidly.
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I thought of a great example to further clarify this. Brawlers have a class feature that allows them to temporarily gain feats a few times per day.
That doesn't mean that they *actually* have the feats for the purposes of meeting prerequisites for their regular feats.
You can't go: "Oh, I'm leveling up? Then I gain Combat Expertise from my class feature so I can qualify for x feat."
IIRC, that is true for feats as prerequisites for other feats, but for entry into Prestige Classes, I believe the consensus is that having the prerequisite on a regular basis is enough to qualify. Which would be the case for a Brawler.
Has there been any clarification on this ?
@Gulthor: You are comparing two completely different sets of rules.
Sure, I'd say you could do it, but you'd lose the benefit of the feat you pick from leveling up as soon as your Martial Flexibility feats expire. As you need the prerequisite feats in order for feats to function, unless stated otherwise. Same with prestige classes, the class becomes void unless you use your Martial Flexibility to regain the prerequisite feats.
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The spell sage's ability allows her to CAST a spell from the cleric, bard, or druid
list as if it were on their spell list. When you're not using that ability, those spells are not on your spell list.
There is no point where cleric spells are on your list and you are not in the process of casting them.
Which means you don't have cleric spells prepared to spontaneously convert to cure spells.
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@Gulthor: You are comparing two completely different sets of rules.
Sure, I'd say you could do it, but you'd lose the benefit of the feat you pick from leveling up as soon as your Martial Flexibility feats expire. As you need the prerequisite feats in order for feats to function, unless stated otherwise. Same with prestige classes, the class becomes void unless you use your Martial Flexibility to regain the prerequisite feats.
The PRD clearly states that if you lose the prerequisites for a feat, you do not get its benefits anymore
There is no such caveat for the requirements to enter a Prestige Class. In fact according to RAW, these requirements only have to be true before you get your first level in that PrC. There is no written condition that you must still meet the requirements to progress further in the PrC ;-)
I really don't understand why you don't understand that "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and prepared" doesn't add it to your spell list. It doesn't say it adds it to your spell list, so it doesn't add it to your spell list. If what you say about your PFS GM is true-- that he read this thread and agreed with your logic, and wasn't aware that VMC isn't PFS-legal, and uses a loose "you can until it says you can't" interpretation of the rules generally-- that's extremely unfortunate for his players because that isn't how PFS works.
He "doesn't understand" because he doesn't want to.
@Gulthor: You are comparing two completely different sets of rules.
Sure, I'd say you could do it, but you'd lose the benefit of the feat you pick from leveling up as soon as your Martial Flexibility feats expire. As you need the prerequisite feats in order for feats to function, unless stated otherwise. Same with prestige classes, the class becomes void unless you use your Martial Flexibility to regain the prerequisite feats.
The PRD clearly states that if you lose the prerequisites for a feat, you do not get its benefits anymore
There is no such caveat for the requirements to enter a Prestige Class. In fact according to RAW, these requirements only have to be true before you get your first level in that PrC. There is no written condition that you must still meet the requirements to progress further in the PrC ;-)
The pre-reqs are for HAVING the PrC. Just as being lawful good is a pre-req for taking the Paladin class. Losing the pre-req strips you of the former's class abilities, as it would of the latter.
We already established that VMC's aren't even legal in PFS, and I notified my GM. So any attempt to further campaign this thread is coercing the wrong idealogies.
Did you read the whole thread or is it just nit-picking to bully a topic?
I don't hold up my GM. In fact, I try not to do anything that's rude or crazy to anyone. I try to keep my attitude and mindset balanced, and practice good nature, respect, and manners.
I'm making a character that I like to have fun with. I like to optimize it's properties and possibilities. It's like someone who likes to optimize cars, and put a supercharger in it, get new LED headlights, get a loud muffler. It might annoy some people, and it actually depreciates the cars market value, but they do it because they think it's cool. Not out of spite, but because they love it.