Plausible Pseudonym |
You could say the same thing about having stats for CR26-30 demon lords/arch devils that can kill a party of 20th level characters easily by themselves not including their vast armies and so high mental stats that you could never out smart them or get away.
Most published demigods aren't actually competitive with an optimized 20th level Int based full caster with 36+ in his main stat. Only Baphomet and the (evil) CR 30s are at that level. None are higher, unless you toss a headband on them from their treasure or give some Wish boosts.
JiCi |
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It might be a stretch, considering the recent additions in B6, but I'd like to see more Daemons, but based of death causes related to classes. For instance:
- Elemdaemon: Kineticist daemon, death by Burn and/or Elemental Overflow excess.
- Pugnudaemon: Monk/Brawler daemon, death by fist fight
- Haeresdaemon: Divine caster daemon, death by wrongful heresy
- Peregdaemon: Ranger/Hunter daemon, death by crusade or genocide
- Bestiadaemon: Druid/Shifter daemon, death by nature or animal hunt
- Duelludaemon: Cavalier/Samurai daemon, death by honorable combat... if that can even trigger a daemon creation :P
- Ordodaemon: Psychic daemon, death by psychic overuse
- Alchidaemon: Alchemist daemon, death by scientific expirement or arson
(made-up names, using the Latin word for whatever is related to a daemon's death)
Dragon78 |
I could also see oni versions of troglodytes, lizardfolk, ratfolk, bugbear, orc, and nagaji.
I can't see oni versions of androids or of the part human races like half-elves, aasimars, dhampirs, oreads, etc.
Samsarans' natural reincarnation would make an interesting rakshasa but I think they shouldn't have an oni version.
Darkfolk and derro would be strange choices for oni.
While a kappa oni would be interesting, kappa are monstrous humanoids, and oni are only based a humanoid type creature.
mswbear |
More Oni
More Kytons
More Div
More desert creatures
More aberrations
More horror theme creatures
Less Fey
I also think it would be cool to present either more mythic creatures or a section on monsters that is similar to how they have done archdevils, the horsemen, and emperial lords. A sort of (if you want to do a mythic version here are quick and dirty rules on how to do it)
FormerFiend |
We're still missing a CR 20 Archon, aren't we? Or did that get filled in somewhere?
I can only guess that Abomination Dragons will be the next sept they go with since it's the only one of the mentioned septs that haven't been statted but contains five dragons, which they've gone on record as saying they want to limit each dragon entry to. Either that or they'll make up a new one entirely but I'm not entirely sure what else they'll come up with.
Squiggit |
Dragon78 wrote:We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?Far as I can tell, demodands and archons are the only one with out a cr 20, but I might have missed one.
Is there a CR20 protean? I can't seem to recall one.
Plausible Pseudonym |
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FormerFiend wrote:Is there a CR20 protean? I can't seem to recall one.Dragon78 wrote:We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?Far as I can tell, demodands and archons are the only one with out a cr 20, but I might have missed one.
As of Bestiary 6 there is the CR 20 Izfiitar. It's a beast. Melee: 7 attacks with an enhanced warpwave, two grab attacks. SLAs: quickened Confusion, quickened Telekinesis, quickened Disintegrate, Mage's Disjunction, Prismatic Sphere, Heal, Miracle (1/yr), etc.
Dragon78 |
I would like to see fey that have powers of adaptation/evolution for themselves or others(animals, vermin, plants, and humanoids only). Basically fey that change life forms in an area(region, world, etc.) to let them adapt or to make them less likely to survive as a species or at least as an individual.
FormerFiend |
Mechagamera |
Transfigured Dragons: sometimes dragons (even young ones) can delve deeply into the outer planes and be transformed by it. Mixed alignment planes (like Heaven which has both law and good) don't produce these kinds of dragons, because inconsistencies in the 2 alignment components prevent the necessary focus.
I haven't figured out the names yet, but:
LN one looks like a clockwork dragon (but is just adaptive camouflage)and has a permanent aura that affects like the calm emotions spell instead of the fear aura.
CN one (I am leaning towards psychedelic dragon) has a permanent hypnotic pattern instead of a fear aura.
NE one (I am leaning towards charnel dragon) looks like a dracolich (again adaptive camouflage) and has a permanent disease aura instead of a fear aura.
NG (angel dragon?) has feathered wings and a permanent aura of awe instead of the fear aura. I haven't decided on what kind
N (balance dragon?) is basically Two-Face with one side looking like a red dragon and the other looking like a silver dragon. I haven't figured out a good aura for this one yet.
Of course B7 might be too soon for a second round of outer planes related dragons....
The Gold Sovereign |
I would like a template for dragons that worked like the mongrel giant template. Actually, I would like to see lots of dragon based templates, as we have only one... =/
It would be cool to have a dragon based template exclusive to humanoid and monstrous humanoid to turn them into unique half-dragons.
CorvusMask |
Can I make NPC Codex 2 wish here?
No? Ok :(
Anyway, what I really want is just CR 21-30 creature that is small sized or smaller. Heck even 10-20 small or smaller creature would be nice, I want that not every single powerful creature has to be medium sized at minimum :D
LoomyNess |
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We already have got 3 Angel, 2 Azata and 1 Agathion Empyreal Lord, but no Archon Empyreal Lord. That's why I would like to see mainly archon Empyreal Lords in the next Bestiaries. The following are the ones I would favor:
Arqueros, The Golden Bulwark
Damerrich, The Weighted Swing
Falayna, Warrior's Ring
Olheon, The Just Arbiter
Smiad, The Pitiless DragonslayerThe archons are the celestial race that is far more about fighting evil them any other. Maybe we might see some tougher and challenging Empyreal Lords among them.
If there are going to be more of the angel and azata empyreal lords, I'm voting for Ashava, Soralyon, Tolc and Valani. Eritrice is the only agathion empyreal lord I'm interested in.
I myself would have preferred to present one new empyreal lord of each race per bestiary, a total of four empyreal lords per book. But I'm sure paizo has its reasons to present only three of them, even if it's in a rather random way.
I totally second the stating out of smiad for bestiary 7, however I am a long time smiad fan so I'd be happy with simply knowing more about him and what the obedience is.
RainOfSteel |
If there is a possibility of getting the missing daemons, the kenku, and the death knight, which I don't think are on the protected list, I would greatly appreciate that.
I am not sure of the status of monsters that only appeared in Dragon, but I would like to see many of them, especially the extra color wheel dragons (orange, purple, and yellow). Just for humor, seeing the iridium dragon started out and having a CR of ?? would be hilarious. Okay, maybe B7 is not the place for humorous entries...
MMCJawa |
MMCJawa wrote:Any monster that premiered in Dragon is also sadly WotC property.The ankheg premiered in Dragon #5 and it was in Bestiary 1.
Sorry...let me be more specific. "Any thing which first showed up in Dragon, but which did not make it into the SRD, is exclusively WotC property.
Wannabe Demon Lord |
So, if you may recall, between the two bestiaries which featured demigods, B4 and B6, we had B5, which did not include any demigods but had a full 300 monsters. Do you guys think that we should alternate, one non-demigod bestiary in between each demigod-prevalent bestiary, or just include Demigods every time with a smaller roster overall?