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I've got a Battle Foam Pathfinder branded bag. And it's awesome. I thought it would be useful when I bought it, but I had no idea how useful I'd find it until I started using it. The rerolls seem to be "support our products" so I don't know if this fits the bill (as in idk if you get a percentage of each sale or if they just gave you a lump sum up front (or some other option because I really have no idea what kind of things businesses do for this sort of thing)), but this bag is incredibly useful. I always get comments on it when I bring it to game days.
I can fit all the minis I need in it. All my dice in one pocket. It's got sections for pens/highlighters. I can fit my scenario/combat pad, and gm screen in the large front pocket. I've got a little case I keep my combat pad magnets in, and there's a little section for that too. I've got two extra pockets--one of which I keep a small container for oft'-used minis and the other still has room for I-don't-know-what-yet.
I can even leave out some of the foam and put multiples of the larger books in the bag for when I'm inclined to carry those around instead of specific pages printed out or a tablet (which is never, but it's still an option).
There are messenger bags for options for rerolls, this is basically just a big bulky messenger bag, right?
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Interesting. Does Paizo sell that?
No, it's a licensed product sold by Battle Foam (linked at start of second paragraph). Hence the part about me not knowing if it'd qualify. But it's big and expensive and still good marketing for Pathfinder which seems to fit the bill (the latter part, not so much the "big and expensive" part).
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I also love my BattleFoam Pathfinder bag! Holds everything and has good versatility. I've got all my faction pins attached to the front flap surrounding the main logo. It would be nice if it was listed as an option.I've got mine on the strap, but that's a good option, too!
FYI, that's not "wearing" them for the purposes of the boon they can impart.
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5livb?OPC-Log-13-Sarenith-4716#46
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I also love my BattleFoam Pathfinder bag! Holds everything and has good versatility. I've got all my faction pins attached to the front flap surrounding the main logo. It would be nice if it was listed as an option.I've got mine on the strap, but that's a good option, too!FYI, that's not "wearing" them for the purposes of the boon they can impart.
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5livb?OPC-Log-13-Sarenith-4716#46
Then the GM is going to have to be a dick and tell me no. I'm not putting holes in my shirts just for an extra 1-4 on a skill check.
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Then the GM is going to have to be a dick and tell me no. I'm not putting holes in my shirts just for an extra 1-4 on a skill check.
I cut the tines off of mine and gorillia glued a small round magnet onto the back. Another magnet will stick it through the shirt. I even sewed a magnet to my hat so i can hot swap them out like benny from the mummy.
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Then the GM is going to have to be a dick and tell me no. I'm not putting holes in my shirts just for an extra 1-4 on a skill check.
I cut the tines off of mine and gorillia glued a small round magnet onto the back. Another magnet will stick it through the shirt. I even sewed a magnet to my hat so i can hot swap them out like benny from the mummy.
this sounds like a good idea..... I may try this.
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I cut the tines off of mine and gorillia glued a small round magnet onto the back. Another magnet will stick it through the shirt. I even sewed a magnet to my hat so i can hot swap them out like benny from the mummy.
Very ingenious. Bravo.
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Then the GM is going to have to be a dick and tell me no. I'm not putting holes in my shirts just for an extra 1-4 on a skill check.
I cut the tines off of mine and gorillia glued a small round magnet onto the back. Another magnet will stick it through the shirt. I even sewed a magnet to my hat so i can hot swap them out like benny from the mummy.
Pinned all mine to a lanyard to wear round my neck for maximum Benny :)
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Then the GM is going to have to be a dick and tell me no. I'm not putting holes in my shirts just for an extra 1-4 on a skill check.
I am going to break in here and tangent the tangent.
I've been seeing this toxic attitude expressed more and more often lately. Both online and in person. When the GM tries to enforce a campaign rule or gives a chronicle with less than maximum rewards he or she is called a "jerk" or worse. "Whaddya mean I have to own the book? You can look it up online! Here, I'll pull up d20pfsrd for you. You're not going to be a jerk about this, are you?" "But if I don't get both Fame I can't buy the item I need. You're ruining my character!"
This is bullying, plain and simple. And it's the most pervasive form of bullying I see in PFS. I've seen it break new GMs who don't want to be thought of as "bad" simply for following the rules so they decide not to GM rather than face unfair criticism.
GMs are trying to be fair and follow the rules. Just because a player disagrees with a rule, an interpretation, or an outcome that doesn't give him the right to insult the GM who is enforcing it. The GMs aren't "jerks," "dicks," "a-holes," "nazis," or worse (I've heard worse). Those labels can far more easily applied to someone trying to bully others into breaking a campaign rule.
So, everyone please stop making this kind of comment, both online and in person.
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I've been seeing this toxic attitude expressed more and more often lately. Both online and in person.
People have a certain level of persnickityness. Most people are going to get annoyed by levels a few standard deviations above or below that level. They're going to express that annoyance.
Having a PRINTED copy of the additional resources was, at one point, the rule. (still is? I don't know) Would you really deny someone an additional resource because the list of legal additional resources (which is itself up to a small book...) was downloaded onto a tablet? Because printed IS the rule after all...
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I've been seeing this toxic attitude expressed more and more often lately. Both online and in person.
People have a certain level of persnickityness. Most people are going to get annoyed by levels a few standard deviations above or below that level. They're going to express that annoyance.
Having a PRINTED copy of the additional resources was, at one point, the rule. (still is? I don't know) Would you really deny someone an additional resource because the list of legal additional resources (which is itself up to a small book...) was downloaded onto a tablet? Because printed IS the rule after all...
Which has nothing to do with accusing the GM of being a dick for enforcing the rules.
If you want to start a thread complaining about how ridiculous some of the rules are (or better yet, a well reasoned discussion of how some of the burdens can be eased) then do so. But the point of that post is that taking your dissatisfaction with the rules out on a GM attempting to enforce them is incredibly toxic.
Edit: and my post really wasn't a direct response, it was just a convenient launching point. I really am seeing this more and more in person.
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I've been seeing this toxic attitude expressed more and more often lately. Both online and in person.
People have a certain level of persnickityness. Most people are going to get annoyed by levels a few standard deviations above or below that level. They're going to express that annoyance.
Having a PRINTED copy of the additional resources was, at one point, the rule. (still is? I don't know) Would you really deny someone an additional resource because the list of legal additional resources (which is itself up to a small book...) was downloaded onto a tablet? Because printed IS the rule after all...
Current rule is to bring a copy of the AR document. I keep an up to date pdf of it on my tablet along with my books. But if there's net access and the person can use the internet, that can also IMO count as having a copy of the AR.
Wait, let me double check that.
In order to utilize content from an Additional Resource,
a player must have a physical copy of the Additional
Resource in question, a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of
it, or a printout of the relevant pages from it, as well as a
copy of the current version of the Additional Resources
list. You must inform the Game Master that you plan
to use Additional Resource material before play begins,
so he has a chance to familiarize himself with the new
material.
Doesn't say anything about the AR list copy having to be a physical copy. Just that you need a copy of the list. Course, it also says you're required to inform the GM of what AR books your character is using pre-game. Something that gets pushed to the side I'm guessing. Honestly, the AR list requirement is pretty easy to meet.
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There's a bit of a difference between trying to get a rule changed via reasoned arguments and harassing people who enforce the campaign rules, BNW.
I can kind of see where the GM's Kevin mentioned who got bullied to the point where they gave up GMing for PFS come from. If I got as much venom and derision at every PFS table I gm (which admittedly I haven't GMed many of yet) as I do from mentioning here on the forums that yes, I do enforce the campaign rules... I'd be very reluctant to continue GMing. As it is, some of the attitudes I see here in the forums make me kind of glad I can't afford to attend the major conventions.
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Which has nothing to do with accusing the GM of being a dick for enforcing the rules.
It has everything to do with it.
You could definitely ask for some different wording, but I don't think that it's reasonable to try to squash the sentiment.
I want to make sure that I'm understanding you correctly before I blow up and say something rash.
Or to put it in "nicer wording"
We're not talking about whether the rule itself is reasonable or not, we're talking about accusing a GM who enforces a published rule of not being as good as they could.
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Sometimes yes. You can cross over into LE territory with an unyielding adherence to the rules without regard sense,to circumstances or intent. You can enforce rules to the point that they hurt the game more than they help it. When exactly someone hits that point is very subjective but it's certainly there.
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Careful there BNW. That's an awfully slippery slope you're walking on.
Yes, there is such a thing as stupid rules. There's a town where it's actually illegal to take your chicken for a walk. Why this is even a law, I have no forking clue. There's even a town where it's illegal to go outside without a hat. Such laws are rather dumb and/or unenforceable. And no, it's not in Utah.
The "you must actually be wearing the pin to get the skill bonus" rule in question here is kinda silly, but at the same time makes some sense. Let's say a couple share books, thus they show up with one bag filled with their books, communal dice box, and character sheets. They have the pins on the bag. Which of the couple gets to use the skill bonus?
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Sometimes yes. You can cross over into LE territory with an unyielding adherence to the rules without regard sense,to circumstances or intent. You can enforce rules to the point that they hurt the game more than they help it. When exactly someone hits that point is very subjective but it's certainly there.
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That's a false equivalence to requiring a pin to be worn, or requesting a book be shown, or only awarding one fame.
Calling the GM a jerk for enforcing a policy you don't like is toxic. I can not in any way condone you reserving the right to call a GM "unfair" for following a campaign rule you disagree with.
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Careful there BNW. That's an awfully slippery slope you're walking on.
I'm chaotic. The slipperyness is a feature, not a bug. Makes it much better for surfing.
But ... I do have some neutral tendencies. Or at least try to stay out of chaotic stupid rebel without a clue territory. I'm going to stay off of specific examples, but if you're looking at a rule you consider
-what is the rule
-why does that rule exist/what goal does it advance
-what problems do people have with the rule
-what solutions are there for that (points up, found one)
These are handholds you have on the slippery slope so you can move up and down it without sliding right off and winding up in freefall.
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And yet, even then you need to try getting the rule changed via well reasoned arguments, not decrying people who do follow the rule. Take an example from another thread the two of us have been going back and forth on the topic in. The speed limit is 55.
Why is the speed limit 55 instead of 65 or 75? Maybe the road has a lot of twists and turns, making going faster risky. Or maybe it's a hilly area and if you're going too fast you don't have enough time to react if something is on the other side of the hill. You the driver don't know why the authorities assigned the speed limit they did. But rest assured, it wasn't just to troll you. They did have a reason for the decision.
By going over that speed limit you're not only breaking the law, but possibly risking your life and that of anyone else on the road with you. Getting mad at the police when they give you a speeding ticket wont change those facts. All it does is unfairly place the blame on the officers. Especially since I doubt it's even the police who decide what the speed limit on a given road is.
To bring it back to PFS, so you disagree with a rule. Harassing the game masters who enforce that rule isn't helping your cause. In fact, what it's more likely to do is convince game masters to leave pathfinder society. After all, why continue volunteering your time if all you get is hatred for doing what the campaign rules toll you to do?
Why punish people who quite frankly don't have to show up and run the table, instead of trying to convince the campaign leadership of why the rule you disagree with is wrong?
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That's a false equivalence to requiring a pin to be worn, or requesting a book be shown, or only awarding one fame.
I am not trying to equate the two. I am trying to show what it looks like from the protean end of the alignment pool.
Calling the GM a jerk for enforcing a policy you don't like is toxic. I can not in any way condone you reserving the right to call a GM "unfair" for following a campaign rule you disagree with.
EVER? There's NO circumstances, ever, where a DM can't be a jerk using the rules? Or hurt the game?
I don't think that's what you're saying but I do think that's what you're not considering.
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That's a false equivalence to requiring a pin to be worn, or requesting a book be shown, or only awarding one fame.I am not trying to equate the two. I am trying to show what it looks like from the protean end of the alignment pool.
Calling the GM a jerk for enforcing a policy you don't like is toxic. I can not in any way condone you reserving the right to call a GM "unfair" for following a campaign rule you disagree with.EVER? There's NO circumstances, ever, where a DM can't be a jerk using the rules? Or hurt the game?
I don't think that's what you're saying but I do think that's what you're not considering.
One example please, where following a campaign rule is grounds for being called a "jerk" or other derogatory term.
Please try to avoid a situation where bending the rules might be acceptable but following them does not make one a "jerk."
Now, if Mindy lets the group stay 20 minutes extra, she's a really nice person. However there's no reason to go calling her a "jerk" if she really does close the store in 15 minutes. And no reason to pressure her to keep the store open such as using passive-aggressive tactics like just not packing up.
Calling her a jerk for following the policy is not going to make Mindy more likely to do favors in the future. You may *think* she's being a jerk (though if you take a rational step back I hope you'll admit you're being unfair). Maybe some players don't come back to that location since they know they won't get any leeway on time, but all you are doing to your reputation with the store by calling names or refusing to follow their rules is causing harm.
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I've been seeing this toxic attitude expressed more and more often lately. Both online and in person. When the GM tries to enforce a campaign rule or gives a chronicle with less than maximum rewards he or she is called a "jerk" or worse. "Whaddya mean I have to own the book? You can look it up online! Here, I'll pull up d20pfsrd for you. You're not going to be a jerk about this, are you?" "But if I don't get both Fame I can't buy the item I need. You're ruining my character!"
This is bullying, plain and simple. And it's the most pervasive form of bullying I see in PFS. I've seen it break new GMs who don't want to be thought of as "bad" simply for following the rules so they decide not to GM rather than face unfair criticism.
GMs are trying to be fair and follow the rules. Just because a player disagrees with a rule, an interpretation, or an outcome that doesn't give him the right to insult the GM who is enforcing it. The GMs aren't "jerks," "dicks," "a-holes," "nazis," or worse (I've heard worse). Those labels can far more easily applied to someone trying to bully others into breaking a campaign rule.
So, everyone please stop making this kind of comment, both online and in person.
Pathfinder Society Lead Developer
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Are there circumstances under which a GM could act tyrannically waving the rules (or some approximation) as a shield? Yes. That's one reason we have a hierarchy of volunteers who can help mediate those or (if necessary) pass them up the chain for resolution—going as far as directly to the Pathfinder Society team.
Are there circumstances under which a GM running a fair game might make a ruling based on written rules, after which the affected player takes it personally and accuses the GM of being a jerk? Yes. I am quite sympathetic to GMs who are the receiving end of player complaints, having sustained a good number of them before (largely before working as a developer, but not exclusively) and commiserated with other GMs who had just extracted themselves from similar situations.
GMs are volunteers who run games in large part because they enjoy the game and the experience. They facilitate your fun, often free of charge to you as a player. If you have complaints about how the organized play program works and would like to see a rule changed, Tonya, Linda, and I read through the vast majority of what's posted here. We're no less excited to have someone yell at us, but if it spares your local GMs that wrath and their love for Pathfinder, we'll take it.
I don't have a strong opinion on where someone wears their faction pins so long as they're displayed fairly prominently. On a backpack? Lanyard? Shirt? Sure.
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Please try to avoid a situation where bending the rules might be acceptable but following them does not make one a "jerk."
You do see the bit of a tautology inherent in your restriction right? Don't show someone being a jerk when they're not being a jerk?
Rules are meant to be enforced with a modicum of common sense with the understanding that there will be odd circumstances and exceptions. NOT using those can rightly be called jerkish behavior.
Someone drives an hour+ to get to the game. Forgot their chronicle sheets. We could say no soup PREGEN FOR YOU!.. or look on paizo, see that almost enough games have been reported for them to be the level they say they are, and let them play their character.
Bob buys Tribbles of golarion. He was so happy it finally came out he was dancing through he store with it last week.
This week bob forgot it. Alice has it though. Even though Bob doesn't have it, Both reasons for the source material rule are satisfied, but technically he doesn't have it, so the DM rules he can't use his Tribble Toupee feat.
One example please, where following a campaign rule is grounds for being called a "jerk" or other derogatory term.
"Okay, Quizinorc Approaches the Goblin. I swing my nodachi..."
"WHAT!? You didn't declare you were using non core material at the start. no soupNo sword FOR YOU!".
Venture-Captain, Minnesota
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I'm here to provide enjoyable and challenging adventures that provide people a relatively equal opportunity to have within a shared campaign.
Isn't that what we're all here for, petty differences over rules interpretation aside? Let's concentrate on the joys we share in this hobby. There's room for both chaos and law here.
Hmm
EDIT: @BNW: Where do you think all the cat burglars come from?
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Which has nothing to do with accusing the GM of being a dick for enforcing the rules.
It has everything to do with it.
You could definitely ask for some different wording, but I don't think that it's reasonable to try to squash the sentiment.
I want to make sure that I'm understanding you correctly before I blow up and say something rash.
Or to put it in "nicer wording"
We're not talking about whether the rule itself is reasonable or not, we're talking about accusing a GM who enforces a published rule of not being as good as they could.
Well, obviously I derailed my own thread. To your question, neither. I wouldn't fault the gm at all for following the rule. That doesn't mean I have to like the rule, though. Obviously I portrayed it poorly above, but I would have no problem with anyone enforcing a rule. I would acquiesce to the GM's ruling because that's what keeps the game going.
That doesn't mean I can't complain about the rule. Me having pins on my dedicated bag that I take everywhere with me and show off with pride but not being able to use them for their intended bonus because they're not explicitly pinned to my shirt is simply a stupid rule and is just going to piss off players. That's not going to help sales/advertising/whatever if I have to wear them to PFS (so take them on and off and end up leaving them off all the time when not at PFS) instead of allowing me to keep them always on my bag for all to see always.
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Back to the OP's original question, I think the rerolls are only awarded for Paizo products since it serves to advertise them, or encourage the purchase of them. Since I use hero lab to make characters, or create my own custom character sheet usually due to disliking the layout of most official sheets... I probably would never have bought a character folio. I only bought it to get the reroll.
But now that I have a character folio, I keep feeling tempted to use it to track my character. If I ever do so, I'd have to buy a second character folio to get the reroll with any other character though. Sneaky Paizo, very sneaky. Similarly I'd normally not consider buying a pathfinder shirt or the pins. But getting a reroll or skill bonus once per session makes me tempted to do so. As such, I don't see Paizo granting a reroll for the battle foam dice bag.
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Back to the OP's original question, I think the rerolls are only awarded for Paizo products since it serves to advertise them, or encourage the purchase of them.
This is an officially branded paizo product, though. It's not sold by paizo, but paizo is getting some kind of monetary benefit from it. Whether it's a percentage, or an amount per bad, or some lump sum for the logo I don't know. But since it's official I have to assume they're getting something, hence me asking.
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Wouldn't the list of reroll items page have answered the OP question?
Or was it more of a request for the battle foam bag to count?
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Unfortunately, the Pathfinder Dice don't qualify for anything, either. I've been told it was because they didn't want the rerolls to be "pay to win," even though everything that gives you a reroll has to be purchased.
I think the issue with the dice is less that it could be seen as "pay to win" and more of an issue that they aren't easily recognizable as being Pathfinder. The dice don't have the Pathfinder logo, they don't get the Pathfinder name out there like the shirts and the rest of the reroll items do.
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Wouldn't the list of reroll items page have answered the OP question?
Or was it more of a request for the battle foam bag to count?
*blinks* *stares in disbelief*
...did you really not read the very first line of my post at the top of the thread?
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Wouldn't the list of reroll items page have answered the OP question?
Or was it more of a request for the battle foam bag to count?
*blinks* *stares in disbelief*
...did you really not read the very first line of my post at the top of the thread?
Lol totally didn't notice it!