Pathfinder Eidolon Help


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Hi I'm new to pathfinder and I'm trying to make a Large Dragon Mount for my Human to ride around on. I just need some help picking evolutions that fit the dragon theme.

Some of my ideas are.

claws
tail
tail slap
blindsense
breath weapon
flight
frightful presence
immunity
magic attacks
spell resistance
wing buffet
large
mount

but this sadly goes over the 26 points I get I just need help with what to get.

The Exchange

SR is overated. A lot of the summoner is about buffing his eid, and SR gets in the way. There's extra evolution feat for more evo points, and half elf FCB lets you add evo points.


Just a Mort wrote:
SR is overated. A lot of the summoner is about buffing his eid, and SR gets in the way. There's extra evolution feat for more evo points, and half elf FCB lets you add evo points.

I'm a Half-orc sorcerer who was able to get an eidolon because of story elements so I don't have access to the fcb and I'm not inclined to waste feats on extra evolutions.


Don't try to get the complete dragon package... go for the essentials, the feet, the the bite, the tail, and of course the wings. You'll have the basic look, and the melee attacks, and the flying mount.

After that, you have to prioritize the extras.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Don't try to get the complete dragon package... go for the essentials, the feet, the the bite, the tail, and of course the wings. You'll have the basic look, and the melee attacks, and the flying mount.

After that, you have to prioritize the extras.

What would you recommend then?


reach "bite", limb (legs) twice, tail, flight, large size, claws twice, that's your looks with some attacks. you might want look at elemental attack. breath weapon is only once a day so there is that.


Usumari wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Don't try to get the complete dragon package... go for the essentials, the feet, the the bite, the tail, and of course the wings. You'll have the basic look, and the melee attacks, and the flying mount.

After that, you have to prioritize the extras.

What would you recommend then?

My Evolutonist summoner had a functional flying drake like mount with bite attacks, claw attacks, a tail slap and wing buffet attacks. He would also use evolution surge to occasionally give it a breath weapon and he was riding it at 8th level.

I wouldn't recommend anything in particular because it's pretty hard to fail at being a Summoner unless you really try.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Usumari wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

Don't try to get the complete dragon package... go for the essentials, the feet, the the bite, the tail, and of course the wings. You'll have the basic look, and the melee attacks, and the flying mount.

After that, you have to prioritize the extras.

What would you recommend then?

My Evolutonist summoner had a functional flying drake like mount with bite attacks, claw attacks, a tail slap and wing buffet attacks. He would also use evolution surge to occasionally give it a breath weapon and he was riding it at 8th level.

I wouldn't recommend anything in particular because it's pretty hard to fail at being a Summoner unless you really try.

Unfortunetly I'm not a summoner I was given an eidolon due to some story aspects so I cant get all fancy with it.

The Exchange

I would tell your GM - dude, what you're asking me to build is not possible, even at lv 20, then run the calculations for him to see. Inform him you will try to conform to the dragon specifications, but YOU get to decide which evolutions you will prioritise over others.

PS. Get the shape, flight, mount and natural attacks first. The rest can wait.

Dark Archive

We talking normal or unchained Eidolon? Making sure it has wings, four legs, claws, wing buffet, a prefered immunity, and a bite with reach is all you need to make it look like a dragon. Also the Mount evolution if that's your thing. Large size is amazing if you're the classic Summoner but a big point sink if you're Unchained. As mentioned before, the breath isn't worth the points.

The key here is that it will LOOK like a dragon, not PLAY like one. Actual dragons are massively sized physical powerhouses with a wide array of special traits, attacks, and immunities. It swings harder and more often than a martial. It also has top end spellcasting. Even if it was your character, not a supporting sidekick, it would have no business having even a portion of that much power without some severe limitations.

Instead of copying a dragon, consider your single favorite part about them and build for that. Multiple attacks? Get that claw/claw/bite/wing/wing/tail routine. More a fan of having a juggernaut? Large size, bite with high damage, and beef up the natural armor. Breath attack your fancy? Take the breath evo, boost its uses per day, boost its Con and have it take Ability Focus. So long as you focus on one aspect of dragons, you won't stretch yourself thin.

Also, even if you're not actually a Summoner, investing heavily in Use Magic Device to use scrolls of Summon Eidolon and maybe Evolution Surge will net you a great return. Evolution Surge spells add a ton of versatility as well as fill in for favorite com ag evolutions that you coudln't afford to take.


Usumari wrote:
I'm not inclined to waste feats on extra evolutions.

*blink blink* Waste... a feat... what? That feat ist rather strong, although I guess a Sorcerer has more competition in the feat slots than a Summoner does. Also, holy shit, does your GM know what he's doing? Sorcerer with a I presume full progression Eidolon would be very powerful.

What level are we talking about? And does the eidolon follow all the normal eidolon rules?

Ok, so the important thing: Focus on the visible stuff first. Presuming you're talking standard european dragon, quadruped+wings+tail are the most important things. Flavor wise, breath attack can be pretty important. Every thing else is basically secondary, with stuff like frightful presence and blindsense being tertiary.

Look through your desired kind of dragon thorugh different age categories on d20pfsrd.com and try to stay relatively close. For isntance, the natural attack progression is Bite + 2 Claws, than later Wings and only after that the Tail Slap. SR and Frightful Presense only appear at mostly young adult age, that's about 13HD (which translates to a lvl17 Eidolon).


Derklord wrote:
Usumari wrote:
I'm not inclined to waste feats on extra evolutions.

*blink blink* Waste... a feat... what? That feat ist rather strong, although I guess a Sorcerer has more competition in the feat slots than a Summoner does. Also, holy s$~!, does your GM know what he's doing? Sorcerer with a I presume full progression Eidolon would be very powerful.

What level are we talking about? And does the eidolon follow all the normal eidolon rules?

Ok, so the important thing: Focus on the visible stuff first. Presuming you're talking standard european dragon, quadruped+wings+tail are the most important things. Flavor wise, breath attack can be pretty important. Every thing else is basically secondary, with stuff like frightful presence and blindsense being tertiary.

Look through your desired kind of dragon thorugh different age categories on d20pfsrd.com and try to stay relatively close. For isntance, the natural attack progression is Bite + 2 Claws, than later Wings and only after that the Tail Slap. SR and Frightful Presense only appear at mostly young adult age, that's about 13HD (which translates to a lvl17 Eidolon).

My eidolon will constantly be 1 lvl behind me


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So what class are you? If we change the assumptions about how you are buffing your eidolon, the best builds would change as well. An eidolon for a non-summoner would be an interesting challenge as it would be totally outside what we usually think about.


David knott 242 wrote:

So what class are you? If we change the assumptions about how you are buffing your eidolon, the best builds would change as well. An eidolon for a non-summoner would be an interesting challenge as it would be totally outside what we usually think about.

Im a Half orc Sorcerer Of the Draconic and Orcish bloodlines

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