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How About "Dragons In power" book?


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Dark Archive

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i have always wanted a book about dragons that are overtly or covertly in charge of kingdoms, cults etc.


Legacy of Dragons was recently released ;)

Silver Crusade

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There are too few dragons in power in Golarion for such a book to make sense. Dragons are intentionally downplayed in the setting, something that I like very much as it sets Golarion apart from the "shapeshifted dragon in every tavern" syndrome that plagues most fantasy settings out there.


Gorbacz wrote:
There are too few dragons in power in Golarion for such a book to make sense. Dragons are intentionally downplayed in the setting, something that I like very much as it sets Golarion apart from the "shapeshifted dragon in every tavern" syndrome that plagues most fantasy settings out there.

Actually I don't see many "Dragons in power" in any setting besides maybe Eberron, where they rule one continent.

Dark Sun:
Dark Sun "dragons" are not actually dragons at all...

Take the FR, for example: dragons may "rule" a patch of land but AFAIK (and unless something changed in the setting recently) they don't rule any nations.

Meanwhile in Golarion...

Players beware here be dragons!:
A gold dragon openly ruling an island (and experimenting on people), Xa Hoi where a dragon rules in human form and his extended family helps him manage the nation's growing power, and of course you have a powerful time dragon as head of one of the Pathfinder Society's factions...

So you see, the "a dragon in every tavern" syndrome is largely an exageration and Golarion is not as "dragon free" as some would like to believe nor it has to be (the point of being a DISGUISED dragon is that most people don't know you are a dragon) and that's a good thing imo since this game is derived from Dungeons & DRAGONS and the latter are certainly the most iconic creatures adventurers may encounter.

There always seem to be a lot of players and GMs wanting more dragon related stuff and that doesn't need to impact the "less classical" parts of the setting. There's space for everyone although some people feel the need to try stopping some features to be developed. As I see things they just need not to include those in their version of the setting.

Silver Crusade

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Say, like, running Dragonlance with the dragon element downplayed? :)

Both Hermea and Xa Hoi aren't likely do see much development in the near future, albeit for very different reasons.

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.


Gorbacz wrote:

Say, like, running Dragonlance with the dragon element downplayed? :)

Both Hermea and Xa Hoi aren't likely do see much development in the near future, albeit for very different reasons.

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.

Disliking darkmoon vale is entirely a personal issue of yours, I dare say most people don't care about what you are talking about .

As for Dragonlance as far as I remember in that setting dragons were actually servants of their dragonlords, the gods were dragons but that's besides the point. Not really a huge amount of polymorphed dragons going around there either.

Silver Crusade

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I like Darkmoon Vale a lot. It was just that dragon in a tavern trope that made me sigh loudly.

As for the amount of peope who care, well, dunno, you got some hard data on this? I'd honestly love to know.

Dark Archive

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Gorbacz wrote:
There are too few dragons in power in Golarion for such a book to make sense. Dragons are intentionally downplayed in the setting, something that I like very much as it sets Golarion apart from the "shapeshifted dragon in every tavern" syndrome that plagues most fantasy settings out there.

with the long lives, power, intelligence (for most of them) and greed, i can't believe that dragon choose to sit on the side lines in some cave writing poetry


If you want some inspiration, you can take a look at the Shadowrun rulebooks, where the great dragons do rule parts of Earth. Most as tycoons pulling strings like any megcorporation, some as political leaders (one got elected as president even).


Gorbacz wrote:

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.

Considering how many dragons have polymorphing with no duration, wouldn't it'd be ridiculous if None of them ever spent time amoung mortals blending in?

Silver Crusade

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Milo v3 wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.

Considering how many dragons have polymorphing with no duration, wouldn't it'd be ridiculous if None of them ever spent time amoung mortals blending in?

If you have molyporph with no duration, you have better things to do than hanging around with bacteria.


Gorbacz wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.

Considering how many dragons have polymorphing with no duration, wouldn't it'd be ridiculous if None of them ever spent time amoung mortals blending in?
If you have molyporph with no duration, you have better things to do than hanging around with bacteria.

Hey, I don't judge your social life, please don't judge mine.


Gorbacz wrote:
If you have molyporph with no duration, you have better things to do than hanging around with bacteria.

If dragons actually lived up to the fluff of "we are so superior that humans are like bacteria to us" I'd agree. But they're more "giant sentient flying lizards with sorcerer levels" than they are "gods". :P


Gorbacz wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

As for dragon in every tavern, there was one in Darkmoon Vale, it made me groan and roll eyes, and almost made me pass Golarion as a whole. Luckily, things got better.

Considering how many dragons have polymorphing with no duration, wouldn't it'd be ridiculous if None of them ever spent time amoung mortals blending in?
If you have molyporph with no duration, you have better things to do than hanging around with bacteria.

But they say the funniest things once they've had a few beers!

Scarab Sages

If you want Dragons in power, I think Distant Worlds is your best bet. Unless I'm mistaken Triaxus has a continent ruled by Dragons, and it's a plot hook that some of them may be seeking allies on Golarion


I'd be down for a PFRPG version of the Draconomicon with rules for dragons that parallel PCs (they already kinda do).

Very few other monsters in the bestiaries have a specific HD progression table.

Social abilities, metallic dragons other than bronze, silver, and gold that can assume human form, plus more feats for dragons like the old metabreath feats would be really cool.

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