Kobold Dragon disciple


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SO i want so pointers and just options on what people think of this Kobold Hunter Dragon disciple build i'm trying out. I know it's not going to turn out fully optimized or anything but as long as it's good then i'm happy here's what i got so far.

the idea here is honestly a Buff Kobold who is slowly turning into a Dragon. I can use the kobold feat Scaled Disciple to eventually qualify for Dragon disciple, and yes it does increase divine casting, that much is called out in the feat for those who claim there might be confusion.

Strength 15
dexterity 13
constitution 12
intelligence 10
Wisdom 14
charisma 7

The idea further for the character is he is a Purple scaled Kobold : unlike most, he is a outcast as most purple scaled Kobolds are. He wields a Great-sword and fights people for the most part directly, he know's his strengths as a Kobold and isn't afraid to fight dirty if needed.

Other than that he is actually pretty honorable, he just doesn't let people make excuses for what is and isn't a weapon or are considered unfair tactics. As long as the fight doesn't drag in innocent's.

As far as other thing's go he is a warrior type of person, strong and fearless.Though he is gruff, and kind of scary hence the lowish Charisma

i have taken to referring to his attempts at intimidation as the angry dad look.

The idea is he is a Melee build using strength, that's the biggest problem. Strength Kobold, though i have taken to the idea and am asking for people to maybe point out better way's to redistribute the stat's or point out thing's i may have missed.

I used the Feral hunter Archetype in combo with Animal focus Bull. at level 1 using a 20 point buy this gets him a 15 strength, impressive by kobold standards. Feral hunter specifically makes it so animal focus has no time limit. making the normal Kobold penalty of -4 basically a -2 in strength.


Maybe a barbarian dip for an additional +4 STR, with the extra rage feat. If you're fatigued from rage, you can cast spells.

Silver Crusade

But is there a reason why you have chosen to be a Hunter? It is quite useless in my opinion, because it gives you an enhancement bonus that you can just get using a belt.

I would rather opt for a Crossblooded Bloodrager, with Abyssal and Draconic bloodlines. Then I would take Eldritch Heritage in order to get the Orc bloodline too. Rage + Dragon Disciple + Abyssal + Orc bonuses on strength should be enough.

On the other hand, if you want more spells, you can go Oracle (Flame / Battle / Ancestors). Unlike Sorcerers, you have BAB 3/4 and you can wear medium armors.

Or you can just do both and try to emulate the Strongest pg evah.


well i have a thing that when i build i refused to build with items in mind. hence things like belts and such and i'm not too much a fan of temporary bonuses, barbarian or bloodrager where one of the classes i was thinking of before Hunter, or Bonuses that have limits per day. as much as i want to pick barbarian i'm already killing a lot of points boosting up strength, to boost up Con as well beyond 12 would eat up point's i'd need for other stats to work.

That said a big part of how i build is focused on fluff over mechanics, if something makes more sense for a character i envision i will choose that.

I chose hunter because of the permanent animal focus bonus strength

Specific builds mainly those involving dragon crossblooding with orc are overdone in my opinion. continuing on that i don't imagine the character being very charismatic i picture him more scary and frightening so i can't really justify having the charisma to do eldritch heritage. Or the stat's for a full caster

Hunter is also one of my favorite classes. As well as Oracle so i assure you i have looked at it.

Oracle was also a class but without the new dragon mystery being up on the d20 i have no access to it and really no oracle curse and mystery fit my idea.

The biggest challenge with this idea is Kobold stats -4 strength -2 Con. Both of which are against this idea, hence the challenge behind this. But Kobold has to stay or the build idea will be lost entirely.

EDITED IN: Another big thing here i am open to switching to Barbarian or bloodrager if Someone can really and i mean really sell me on it. I have issues with cross blooded anything because i see it everywhere. The character should be mainly Melee focused, preferably smacking people with a greatsword


Well as a bloodrager, the spell selection is the big ticket here. You have some very nice melee spells (Enlarge, Longarm, and more..). As for Kobolds -4 str... that is made up fairly quickly, between rage and the DD stat boosts.... Make it high enough and those are in the +s. Sure you start with a lower str than i would like, but it builds up with time.

I really like Kobolds, and personally have a Bloodrager/DD natural att Kobold myselfand while his base damage is a little low, with 5 atts per rounds i coming in around 30-40 damage a roundwithout crits

Silver Crusade

Considering the Hunter bonus is just the same as considering a belt. They are both permanent bonuses, so it makes no sense excluding the belt just because it's an item. Equipment is part of a pg as much as feats and class features.

High Charisma DOESN'T mean being handsome. It adapts its meaning on how you use it. In fact it is used on Diplomacy, Bluff and Intimidate, which are three extremely different skills. If you use it for intimidating people, it means that you are frightening. A very low charisma means that you are just ugly and/or unable to cause people any reaction, including fear. So, if you want to be scary, you SHOULD have a decent charisma.

For the Bloodrager build, i would put the array stat this way:
17-4 12+2 12-2 10 10 13
I know, con 10 is a risk, but hey, you have decided to be a melee kobold: you are already risking! Just put all your FCBs on hp and take Thoughness. The d10 will do the rest. I mean, I know that con 10 may sound too low, but there is no difference (hp wise) in having con 12 and d8 as hit dice, or con 10 and d10.

The crossblooded thing + the Orc bloodline through Eldritch Heritage is overused because it is good! However, if you don't like it, you can just take only one of those. I mean, it would still be better than the Hunter! The Bloodrager gives you bonuses on strength from Rage + Abyssal bloodline and you can add the Orc bloodline through feats. What does the Hunter offer you? An enchantment bonus that you can easily buy and charisma too low to take the EH feats. Plus, the Hunter has a terrible 3/4 BAB that doesn't fit well with your low strength, and eats you a feat slot because of the Scaled Disciple feat.

So, in conclusion: Bloodrager has better BAB and strength bonuses that successfully compensate for the terrible kobold's racial modifiers. Plus, such bonuses stack with thos that you WILL get from the belt. It doesn't require the feat tax and reflects the concept that you wanted to create (low spells, high strength, fearsome [yes, cha 13 may inspire fear. Cha 7 absolutely not, unless you take Intimidating Prowess]).
The Hunter, on the other hand, not only requires a feat tax and has a terrible BAB, but in change offers only a redundant strength bonus that you can cheaply buy for 4000gp.

Just try the Bloodrager, trust me :P
Have I sold it to you? :D


I generally define charisma as your natural ability to influence people.


2 good explanations one with a stat array, that'll do it, i might play around a tiny bit with the array to get at least a 12 in con but otherwise it looks good.

actually i had planned on taking toughness at some point anyway just because i was worried about hp.


What do people think of using primalist with this? could open up options in place of some of hte bloodline powers that aren't too good or redundant with Dragon disciple in the mix.

Also sort of decided Draconic bloodline, because well dragon


Primalist ian't PFS legak, but other than that is great.


doesn't matter much on that level, i try to avoid pfs not much of a fan of it.


if you wanted to grow larger, Abyssal Bloodline does that. You could do crossblooded if you wanted to, for a +2 strength.

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