Can We Stop Using The Word "Adventurer" Now?


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It's not like anybody is forcing you guys to use it as a catchall.

Beats "the heroes", that's for sure.


Othar Tryggvassen gentleman adventurer!!!


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Now we have to be politically correct over what to call our characters? Ridiculous, one of the reasons I game is to get away from real life BS. Now someone suggests we drag that real life crap into our games cause he/she has an issue with the word.

I REVOKE YOUR ADVENTURE LICENSE. YOU ARE HEREBY OFFICIALLY RETIRED, PUT OUT TO PASTURE, AND CAN NO LONGER WEILD THE BLADE IN HONOR OF ALL THAT IS FAIR AND RIGHT IN THIS WORLD. DOWN WITH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IN GAMING.

ADVENTURE ON ADVENTURERS


So, hey, what word am I supposed to use now? You gonna pay for the rebranding? That ain't cheap, pal—bags of holding don't re-embroider themselves. F!!+ing hell. This is almost as bad as the time that f&$!ing bartender made me take a bath before entering his tavern just 'cause I'd just gotten back from looting a troglodyte's treasure room. And guess who had to pay for that soap? Me! And the orc in the 10' x 10' room who I killed and took it from!

No respect for those in the trade these days...


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Othar Tryggvassen gentleman adventurer!!!

That a++&&$! does not pay union dues and we officially classify him as a "hero", not an "adventurer". There's a f$#+ing difference. F#&# off!

I know, he fooled me too when he tried to kill that scientist lady at the start. Looked like he was one of us, just killin' and takin' people's stuff. But apparently he had some kinda reason for it, and we don't truck with that "cause" stuff. Bad for business. We're just trying to make a living off of robbin' graves and killin' lizardratss, we ain't out to make a difference in the world. Folks like that Othar Turdvassen guy give the rest of us a good name. Bad for business.


thejeff wrote:
Tectorman wrote:
cuatroespada wrote:
i think the point is that not a single character in any of those settings refers to themselves as "an adventurer" (or is even referred to as such by anyone else in the setting). that's a thing we do. the fellowship is the fellowship. luffy and his crew are pirates. and mal and the crew of serenity are just trying to keep flying.

I agree with this. "Adventurer" is useful for the purposes of we, the audience, existing outside that universe to describe the general tone of the events this or that particular grab-bag of characters is participating in. Sure, individual adventurers will have more specific monikers, but "adventurer" is really the easiest way to describe the main protagonists in this sort of genre.

Not that I would ever expect snyone in universe to use that term.

Even from the meta level, for me at least it only fits some sub-genres of the genre. Those protagonists who do it as a career or go out looking for adventures.

Those who get caught up in one grand AP length campaign with a single larger motivation aren't really "adventurers" in the same sense. They're on a quest.

OTOH, as Jiggy and others said above, it's certainly possible to structure your setting so that "Adventurers" makes sense and is the term used in world.

See, to me, you've just described Indiana Jones as "not an adventurer". His career is that of a teacher who should be, as he tells his students, getting most of his information from a library. He finds himself on the quests depicted in the movies; he doesn't seek them out. Or at least, not for their own sake. Indy strikes me as exactly the sort to get caught up in an AP length campaign, and I'd argue that he's an archetypal "adventurer".

So I guess I'm saying that I think the term "adventurer", on a meta-level, does apply to anyone on an adventure, independent of why they're there.


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Succubus Play Things.

"Oh my god! Charles! he's dead! She... she sucked the life right out of him!"

"Whatever man, I'm next!"


Tectorman wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Tectorman wrote:
cuatroespada wrote:
i think the point is that not a single character in any of those settings refers to themselves as "an adventurer" (or is even referred to as such by anyone else in the setting). that's a thing we do. the fellowship is the fellowship. luffy and his crew are pirates. and mal and the crew of serenity are just trying to keep flying.

I agree with this. "Adventurer" is useful for the purposes of we, the audience, existing outside that universe to describe the general tone of the events this or that particular grab-bag of characters is participating in. Sure, individual adventurers will have more specific monikers, but "adventurer" is really the easiest way to describe the main protagonists in this sort of genre.

Not that I would ever expect snyone in universe to use that term.

Even from the meta level, for me at least it only fits some sub-genres of the genre. Those protagonists who do it as a career or go out looking for adventures.

Those who get caught up in one grand AP length campaign with a single larger motivation aren't really "adventurers" in the same sense. They're on a quest.

OTOH, as Jiggy and others said above, it's certainly possible to structure your setting so that "Adventurers" makes sense and is the term used in world.

See, to me, you've just described Indiana Jones as "not an adventurer". His career is that of a teacher who should be, as he tells his students, getting most of his information from a library. He finds himself on the quests depicted in the movies; he doesn't seek them out. Or at least, not for their own sake. Indy strikes me as exactly the sort to get caught up in an AP length campaign, and I'd argue that he's an archetypal "adventurer".

So I guess I'm saying that I think the term "adventurer", on a meta-level, does apply to anyone on an adventure, independent of why they're there.

Well, Indy kind of skirts the line, since while he does talk about "being a teacher", he also moonlights as a field archeologist - and by the evidence of the movies a pretty bad one by modern standards and maybe even by 1940s standards when "tomb robbing" was pretty much the order of the day.

Think of the first scene we see him in - getting the golden idol from the trapped tomb. Sure, he's bringing it back to the university/museum, but he's just getting a show piece, with no proper excavation, no study of the context of the site, nothing but the artifact itself. And of course, with no concern for the rights of whatever country he's stealing it from.

So maybe "adventurer" does apply.

Liberty's Edge

And he wasn't retrieving it for academic reasons, he was selling it to Marcus.


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Frequently my party of adventurers (aka murderhobos) kills an entire village of goblins or lizardfolk without properly ascertaining the environmental or economic impact that might have on the surrounding areas. Does that make the term adventurer apply more, or less?


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Yes.


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MendedWall12 wrote:

Frequently my party of adventurers (aka murderhobos) kills an entire village of goblins or lizardfolk without properly ascertaining the environmental or economic impact that might have on the surrounding areas. Does that make the term adventurer apply more, or less?

Are you serious?? Your adventurers engaged in combat against a native species without conducting a thorough Environmental Impact Review first? Without an open and transparent process that engages, educates and empowers the general public, including a public comment period, and a multi-juridictional approval process??

Your "adventurers" are morally bankrupt loose cannons who pervert the very idea of fair governance. Good day to you sir!!


And then there are the Goblin and Orc and Drow adventurers. You don't even want to hear what they do.


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I like the term adventurer. It's a 'catch-all'. If the king is looking for a group of adventurers to retieve the missing princess... He really doesn't care if you are fighter, paladin, wizard, cleric, rogue... burgler, conman, circus acrobat, swashbuckler... whatever you want to call yourself on a given day.

He isn't looking for a specific skill set or archtype... he only wants people brave enough to face the dragon and get his daughter home.

If he put out an add for 'brave warriors'... there are a lot of potential heroes that wouldn't bother answering the call.

Scarab Sages

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My current character has recently referenced himself as an adventurer, mainly because "brawler and trap disabler working in the employ for a merchant you've probably never heard of out here" seems a bit of a mouthful.


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kyrt-ryder wrote:
And then there are the Goblin and Orc and Drow adventurers. You don't even want to hear what they do.

Is it kill things and take their stuff?


Everytime I read this guys posts imma cast summon cheryl Tunt.....


phantom1592 wrote:

I like the term adventurer. It's a 'catch-all'. If the king is looking for a group of adventurers to retieve the missing princess... He really doesn't care if you are fighter, paladin, wizard, cleric, rogue... burgler, conman, circus acrobat, swashbuckler... whatever you want to call yourself on a given day.

He isn't looking for a specific skill set or archtype... he only wants people brave enough to face the dragon and get his daughter home.

If he put out an add for 'brave warriors'... there are a lot of potential heroes that wouldn't bother answering the call.

I think that king just doesn't want to admit that he is recruiting a mercenary strike force for his daughter's rescue. "Adventurers" sounds so much more noble.

As an aside, what sort of names would "adventurer" types get called in a modern setting that has magic jammed in?

Preternatural Operators?
Independent Contractors?
Paramilitary Detectives?

I haven't figured out an answer beyond just calling people "Operators" and role-playing the NPCs as rolling their eyes at the incredibly cliche term.


Maybe hiring 'Specialists'...

Specialist in what field... is irrelevant as long as they're good at their job.


Ventnor wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
And then there are the Goblin and Orc and Drow adventurers. You don't even want to hear what they do.
Is it kill things and take their stuff?

Absolutely. Just a bit more cruelly than your average murderhobo.


Whoa whoa whoa! We do not use language like that in the business, Mr. Kyrt-Ryder. You probably don't realize this, but talking like that—talking like goblin, orc and drow adventurers are more "cruel" or "selfish"—can create a really hostile work environment. People end up feeling unwelcome, and even quitting the trade! You can get reprimanded by the Adventurers' Union for speciesist talk of that sort.

Seriously. Us human adventurers can be just as cruel and selfish as those orcs and goblins! When will we be given the respect we deserve?!


I said average. Of course there are those who sway one way or other of the average.


Oh, so I'm "one of the bad ones"? Thanks, it's rare that I meet someone so unpatronizing.


You're welcome.


We can. But I won't.


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Intellect Devourer Husks.

"Say, uh, Frank, you feeling okay there buddy?"

"Hold on... just admiring the shape of your skull..."


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Snowblind wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:

I like the term adventurer. It's a 'catch-all'. If the king is looking for a group of adventurers to retieve the missing princess... He really doesn't care if you are fighter, paladin, wizard, cleric, rogue... burgler, conman, circus acrobat, swashbuckler... whatever you want to call yourself on a given day.

He isn't looking for a specific skill set or archtype... he only wants people brave enough to face the dragon and get his daughter home.

If he put out an add for 'brave warriors'... there are a lot of potential heroes that wouldn't bother answering the call.

I think that king just doesn't want to admit that he is recruiting a mercenary strike force for his daughter's rescue. "Adventurers" sounds so much more noble.

As an aside, what sort of names would "adventurer" types get called in a modern setting that has magic jammed in?

Preternatural Operators?
Independent Contractors?
Paramilitary Detectives?

I haven't figured out an answer beyond just calling people "Operators" and role-playing the NPCs as rolling their eyes at the incredibly cliche term.

That's easy: Transporters. That is essentially the job of an adventurer anyway, isn't it? Transporting some thing or person to another thing or person for money, and killing anything and everything that gets in their way? Man, come to think of it, I really like that title. Maybe I'll change the label at our table from adventurer to "expert transporter."

King: Who will go and save my daughter from the dragon's clutches!?
Us: We will.
King: Who are you?!
Us: We're expert transporters.
King: Transporters? I don't need a wagon ride.
Us: No, but your daughter needs a wagon ride out of the clutches of that dragon and back to your greedy fingers, so you can marry her off to some hideously ugly son of the king next door, doesn't she? You need her transported from one place to another. That's what we do, we transport, we're transporters, expert transporters.


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Transporters: We'll beam you up


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Neal Litherland wrote:
Why should we take you with us on this raid against a bandit camp?

For the same reason you take on anyone unknown to you, we are willing to accept payment after.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Murderhoboes

If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.


Here's my thought on the OP:

(my link didnt work!) :-(


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DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Murderhoboes

If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.

In my experience the ones using the term are the ones self aware enough about the problem to be less of a problem.

(I made a druid that could cuddle a dungeon into submission with the power of friendship... just because)

Silver Crusade

BigNorseWolf wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Murderhoboes

If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.

In my experience the ones using the term are the ones self aware enough about the problem to be less of a problem.

(I made a druid that could cuddle a dungeon into submission with the power of friendship... just because)

My Barbarian worshipper of Sekhmet also does this, not quite sure how that came about, but it did.


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DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.

It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."


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DrDeth wrote:

Here's my thought on the OP:

Let me fix that link for ya.

Also you're being too kind to the OP.


thejeff wrote:
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."

If the medal fits...


HyperMissingno wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Here's my thought on the OP:

Let me fix that link for ya.

Also you're being too kind to the OP.

Nice guy. Yep.

It's my one weakness.


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thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."

When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.


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kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.

Yeah. Well, I'm not playing that AP. Sorry.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
thejeff wrote:
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
If the medal fits...

It doesn't, but keep trying to bash it into place anyway.


thejeff wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.
Yeah. Well, I'm not playing that AP. Sorry.

It's Shattered Star if you're curious.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
thejeff wrote:
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
If the medal fits...

*Proudly displays second-place medal for Murderhoboing*

Won it at last year's Union Review. I'm aiming for first next year.


Keep aiming buddy!

I got first place locked up, in a... place... that may or may not burn down, right about... An explosion rocks the countryside... now!


Oi, that's not burning down, that's blowing up! Get your destruction phrases right!


kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.

Then- don't run that AP. Review it as * star, complain.


DrDeth wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.
Then- don't run that AP. Review it as * star, complain.

Here's the thing... I didn't pay for the AP one of my players did and they are all having a blast with it.

Heck...they're all trying to be kind and merciful and avoiding the Murder part of murderhobo while invading these creatures homes and taking their stuff. Except kills made in 'self defense' of course [maybe Pathfinder doesn't have a Castle clause?]

On the Murderhobo subject, I really don't CARE what sort of people my players want to roleplay as. If they want to murderhobo then they're welcome to do so, all I ask is they understand that they're no heroes, they're thieves and butchers who occasionally stumble across a noble task in the midst of profiting off those weaker than themselves.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.
Then- don't run that AP. Review it as * star, complain.

Here's the thing... I didn't pay for the AP one of my players did and they are all having a blast with it.

Heck...they're all trying to be kind and merciful and avoiding the Murder part of murderhobo while invading these creatures homes and taking their stuff. Except kills made in 'self defense' of course [maybe Pathfinder doesn't have a Castle clause?]

On the Murderhobo subject, I really don't CARE what sort of people my players want to roleplay as. If they want to murderhobo then they're welcome to do so, all I ask is they understand that they're no heroes, they're thieves and butchers who occasionally stumble across a noble task in the midst of profiting off those weaker than themselves.

Do you mind me asking what AP it is(in spoilers)?


Snowblind wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.
Then- don't run that AP. Review it as * star, complain.

Here's the thing... I didn't pay for the AP one of my players did and they are all having a blast with it.

Heck...they're all trying to be kind and merciful and avoiding the Murder part of murderhobo while invading these creatures homes and taking their stuff. Except kills made in 'self defense' of course [maybe Pathfinder doesn't have a Castle clause?]

On the Murderhobo subject, I really don't CARE what sort of people my players want to roleplay as. If they want to murderhobo then they're welcome to do so, all I ask is they understand that they're no heroes, they're thieves and butchers who occasionally stumble across a noble task in the midst of profiting off those weaker than themselves.

Do you mind me asking what AP it is(in spoilers)?

He said above it was Shattered Star, which is one of the more murder-hoboey ones I must admit. The motivation was kind of sketchy. Most of the opposition, especially in the early ones, wasn't really an urgent threat. Just in the way of getting the McGuffin and bad enough not to feel to guilty about fighting.


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kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
thejeff wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Murderhoboes
If the players or characters call themselves this, I dont want to play with them.
It's not the ones who call themselves that that bother me. It's the ones who try to pin on my characters and games. "All PCs are murderhoboes."
When I look at the AP I am running and see its basically a string of home invasion and burglary with an expectation of wanton murder? Yeah, murderhoboes.
Yeah. Well, I'm not playing that AP. Sorry.
It's Shattered Star if you're curious.

See, my PC's got a house in Magnimar. They're murdertourists.

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