So a friend and I have been making a Horizon Walker in which we use the Terrain Mastery rogue talent in order to gain as many instances of the ability as possible, however I am a tad bit confused. You see this involves two sites:
Terrain Mastery (Ex): A rogue with this talent gains a favored terrain as the ranger ability of the same name, though the favored terrain ability does not increase with her level as the ranger’s ability does. A rogue can take this ability multiple times, each time applying it to a new terrain, and granting all other favored terrains a +2 increase to the favored terrain bonus.
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Terrain Mastery (Ex): A rogue with this talent gains a favored terrain as the ranger ability of the same name, though the favored terrain ability does not increase with her level as the ranger’s ability does.
As you can see they are both the same version of the talent (the original, as the unchained version is similar to the PFSRD version). My question is which one is actually the correct one? Is there a correct one or is one of them a different iteration of the other? They both say they are from Ultimate Combat.
Your Archives of Nethys example was the original version in the first printing of Ultimate Combat, it was changed in subsequent printings to your PFSRD example.
I've never had any problems with AoN. Could this be an old copy that you printed out for reference?
If you check the PRD here it shows the correct version.
EDIT: A lot of Rogue Talents have been modified by subsequent printings, so you should check that you are using the latest printings.
PFSRD keeps up to date with erratas and changes much more quickly. Archives of Nethys often gets behind or simply doesn't care to keep up.
It was the talent of the same name that I found on the AoN, Moragon, so it is probably an old copy that never got updated, like Carl said. As it is this just means that I can use the unchained rogue to go in and not have to deal with a Str build or finding a way to do Dex-to-damage as a normal rogue, since the unchained and normal versions seem to be the exact same now.
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PFSRD keeps up to date with erratas and changes much more quickly. Archives of Nethys often gets behind or simply doesn't care to keep up.
Usually the archives is the superior site. While they do update more slowly, they are far more likely to have the correct rules, especially on anything touching a god.
PFSRD keeps up to date with erratas and changes much more quickly. Archives of Nethys often gets behind or simply doesn't care to keep up.Usually the archives is the superior site. While they do update more slowly, they are far more likely to have the correct rules, especially on anything touching a god.
I have never seen the PFSRD have the incorrect rule even once. I have seen the Archives have the incorrect rule at least 3 times off the top of my head.
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I have never seen the PFSRD have the incorrect rule even once. I have seen the Archives have the incorrect rule at least 3 times off the top of my head.PFSRD keeps up to date with erratas and changes much more quickly. Archives of Nethys often gets behind or simply doesn't care to keep up.Usually the archives is the superior site. While they do update more slowly, they are far more likely to have the correct rules, especially on anything touching a god.
Measured response requires worshiping Abadar, who is LN. The requirement on d20pfsrd is worship a good deity. There are many many many such errors when they strip golarion content, and it's also very easy to accidentally conflate 3rd party and paizo content.
Measured response requires worshiping Abadar, who is LN. The requirement on d20pfsrd is worship a good deity. There are many many many such errors when they strip golarion content...
They are not allowed to reference Golarion deities because they are not open content. The same goes for many other Golarion-specific content.
...and it's also very easy to accidentally conflate 3rd party and paizo content.
Not if you know how to read the headers.
Measured response requires worshiping Abadar, who is LN. The requirement on d20pfsrd is worship a good deity. There are many many many such errors when they strip golarion content...They are not allowed to reference Golarion deities because they are not open content. The same goes for many other Golarion-specific content.
I heard differently, that the Golarion content was under the Open Game License, which means it can be shared for non-commercial purposes, and the PFSRD doesn't qualify because it runs a store, and is therefore commercial.
The names of the gods of the Pathfinder campaign setting are not Open Game Content, therefore we are not allowed to use or reference them.
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Measured response requires worshiping Abadar, who is LN. The requirement on d20pfsrd is worship a good deity. There are many many many such errors when they strip golarion content...They are not allowed to reference Golarion deities because they are not open content. The same goes for many other Golarion-specific content.
Yes, and they butcher the text. If you can see the difference between a lawful neutral God of humanity, trade, and civilization and "a good god". Same thing for most others. The requests of feats and prestige classes are gutted, making illegal options seem okay.
Well, I guess both guys are happy about any e-mail pointing them to mistakes. I found a few on both pages and will write them as soon as I collect a bit more.
Oh, how dare they not want to be sued. The bastards.
I started using d20PFSRD initially, and have stuck with it - it contains a lot of 3PP content (esp. Dreamscarred Press Psionics and Path of War) and it is very simple to check the source in the header or from the referencing below.
Not being a PFS player, and not having too much truck with Golarion I'm not really fussed about the "butchered text" but I can see how it would be frustrating.
I sometimes use the PRD, rarely AON (usually if link'd from an external site) and d20PFSRD is my goto.
The Archives owner has had a load of issues recently which have caused a large backlog and slow down of updates on the site. He recently posted that he *hopes* (emphasis on the transitory nature of hope and how it is not in anyway shape or form a guarantee of any sort!) to be current by the end of October.
Which considering the workload and how few people he has working on the site directly makes me think he might be being a bit ambitious for the workload.
But quite frankly I like the layout of archives better for most things including searching by source, while I like d20pfsrd for indexing and searching by spell/class/school better.
I use the PRD, d20PFSRD and AoN, depending on what I want to do. All are useful in their own distinct ways. You just need to be aware of the differences between them and the advantages and disadvantages of each.
D20PFSRD has fallen a bit behind the others for me, because of the required changes to the setting specific material makes it too unreliable for me and I don't have much opportunity to mess around with 3rd party stuff. I'm also playing a lot more PFS nowadays. Still a lot of useful tools on there. And for the longest time my goto site.
Archives is still great despite being (understandably) out of date. Like Abraham, I prefer the layout of archives.Took me a while to really appreciate it though.
Even the PRD can be misleading due to the way they update to reflect the current printings of the books instead of incorporating the changes. So if you have two sources but only one has been errata'd or a change is made in a later book it won't necessarily reflect that. Compare the oriental armours from ultimate combat to ultimate equipment or whether blindness/deafness is a curse.
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Thanks for the positive comments Oceanshieldwolf and CampinCarl9127. As previously stated, we are not allowed to use or reference things that are NOT Open Game Content, which includes place names, people names, unique god names, and similar items. In all cases we strive to stick as close to the original intent when we're required to omit a certain name.
In all cases we prefer not to think of anything as "butchered" but to each their own. If you prefer the PRD or AON, go to town. You are not required to like or use d20pfsrd.com. I've said this previously but I'll say it again, d20pfsrd.com is more geared towards those who don't REQUIRE god names and Golarion-specific content, such as those who run their own custom campaign worlds, or whom are not terribly bothered by the occasional lack of a god name (or similar). Same with 3rd Party Content. If that's not your cup of tea then a) you don't have to use it even if you DO use d20pfsrd.com, and b) you are more than free to simply not use d20pfsrd.com at all.
As someone else previously stated to me while visiting at Gen Con, they appreciate that d20pfsrd.com is a 100% complete rules reference resource, whereas AON isn't (it misses core rulebook main rules content) and also, d20pfsrd.com is organized by subject not by book (as the PRD is.)
Lastly, I strive to be as up-to-date as possible and I think I have almost everything currently available except anything that has been out on store shelves less than 2 weeks. Oh and if you ever have an issue, you can feel free to either email me directly at jreyst@gmail.com or tag me on Facebook. I try to respond to all such contacts.
Same with 3rd Party Content. If that's not your cup of tea then a) you don't have to use it even if you DO use d20pfsrd.com
Just one wish here: Can you separate the content consequently? You did this well at rogue talents, 3pp ones come at the bottom. But there are pages like the oracle curses where Paizo and 3pp content ends mixed up - which makes both PC and NPC building more difficult.
Beside this, thanks for all the work. I currently have like 25 tabs to your page open, it's quite helpful to prepare the next session. AoN is also, but do knife and fork really compete with each other?
Oh cool, I didn't know you guys had a Paizo account. Thanks for the clarifications, stay awesome!