is there a feat that allows you to use charisma for AC?


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just what the subject asked. i was just wondering.


Not universally, as far as I am aware. There is Osyluth Guile, which uses bluff checks to add cha to AC against ONE OPPONENT while fighting defensively. So that is a lot of restrictions, as you can guess.

Usually, for a straight bonus to AC, you need something like a class feature. For example, the Iroran Paladin can add their cha to dex for AC while in light or no armor (there is a 1 mod/level limit... but really, that is irrelevant after level 2 or 3, obviously). That mostly just makes up for the focus on light armor though.


Not a feat, but the new Scaled Fist Monk uses CHA to AC instead of WIS.


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Nope. Oracle is probably one of the easiest ways- even Oracle VMC removes the options for Charisma to AC, though.


Not a feat to my knowledge, but there are other methods. Several Oracle mysteries include Cha to AC in various circumstances.

Nature gives Nature's Whispers (Ex) which grants Cha in place of Dex to AC and CMD.
Lore gives Sidestep Secret (Su) which grants Cha in place of Dex to AC (but not CMD) and Reflex Saves
Moon gives Prophetic Armour (Ex) which grants Cha in place of Dex to AC and Reflex Saves

Each has benefits and drawbacks. Sidestep Secret is a supernatural ability so it goes bye bye if you are subject to anti-magic whereas Nature's Whispers and Prophetic Armour are both extraordinary abilities so they are always on. Nature's Whispers benefits both AC and CMD so you're not left vulnerable to combat maneuvers, but it offers no benefit to reflex saves. But reflex saves can be addressed by other means (notably Paladin's Divine Grace which lends strongly to Oradin builds). If you're going to go for an Oradin, I'd say go for Nature's Whispers as you'll net Cha to AC, CMD, and Reflex. If you're not going Oradin (or you're using a Pally archetype that gives up Divine Grace), then go for Moon's Prophetic Armour. If you are looking to be the Knowledge person of your group, go for Lore's Sidestep Secret as that will also give you access to Lore Keeper which lets you use Cha in place of Int for Knowledge checks.

Lastly, if you're emphasizing Charisma this much, don't forget the trait Noble Scion of War which lets you use Cha in place of Dex for initiative rolls. If you don't mind throwing a third class into the mix, pick up a few levels of Bard to get Versatile Performance and you can use a Perform(Dance), a Cha skill, in place of Acrobatics and Fly (both Dex skills). Lastly, all this Charisma emphasis can also open up the route for Improved Eldritch Heritage (Orc or Abyssal) which gives you a straight Strength bonus. All in all, you'll only need to focus on Str, Con, and Cha and leave Dex and Wis at 10 (don't outright dump them; you don't need to). Get just enough Int so your skill points are at a happy place and you're good.


Deific Obedience if you worship Calistria, earn the third Exalted boon, and don't wear medium or heavy armor.

Celestial Obedience if you worship Arshea, earn the second boon, and don't wear armor.

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CupcakeNautilus wrote:
Not a feat, but the new Scaled Fist Monk uses CHA to AC instead of WIS.

where is this from?


Legacy of Dragons. A monk archetype that basically uses Charisma instead of Wisdom, as well as other perks.


thanks for all the information guys


Yes, there is and Deific Obedience was already mentioned

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Celestial Obedience for Arshea, the 2nd boon is charisma to AC if you wear no armour.


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