Are there any Spontaneous casters that use wisdom as a key stat?


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Hi,

I'm playing or im hoping to play a Grippli character in a manner similar to Yoda from Star Wars. I had intended to be a Stalker, but felt the lack of magical abilities (force powers) didn't mesh well with my over all image, though the martial fighting aspect fit perfectly.

I really don't want to be a prepared caster as I always felt that predicting what might be needed kills the suspense of threats that may arise in a campaign. Also I like just casting what i know when i have the ability to cast it.

Can anyone point me in the right direction, some suggestions from any source that is compatible with the Pathfinder setting are welcomed. My DM is pretty flexible and we can use just about any 3rd party material so long as we can present it to him first.


All psychic casters are spontaneous. I know that at least the Spiritualist uses Wisdom. If you do not want a pet, there are two archetypes that trade it out.


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The inquisitor casts spontaneously and is based on Wisdom.


Empyreal Sorcerer uses wisdom.

Liberty's Edge

Hunter (a 6th level caster) uses Wisdom. The Hunter spell list is all Druid spells up to 6th level and all Ranger spells.


I think psychic and inquisitor will fit best with your Yoda image.


Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.


Hunter, Inquisitor and Emmpyreal Sorcerer. Possibly one or more of the psychic classes.

Scarab Sages

Actually, a empyral fist kineticist using aether or air fits the yoda flavor very well, but I prefer the base kineticist.


Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.

How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?

Using the Force to telekinetically wield his sword would've been cool.


Lemmy wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?
Using the Force to telekinetically wield his sword would've been cool.

That would make him look too much like a Darksider. Also it's not nearly as heroic or badass.


On Yoda/ Form IV: several of the moves require Force assists to pull off, so in a sense it's the most Force-intensive style. Lightsaber throws are generally a darkside technique, as you're giving up your (only) defense to extend your attack range.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?
Using the Force to telekinetically wield his sword would've been cool.
That would make him look too much like a Darksider. Also it's not nearly as heroic or badass.

That's arguable... But in any case, is there any need for him to be a super-awesome lightsaber duelist? Isn't being super wise and having super powerful mind powers enough?


Lemmy wrote:
That's arguable... But in any case, is there any need for him to be a super-awesome lightsaber duelist? Isn't being super wise and having super powerful mind powers enough?

I think most forget that the (rather awesome) line about Yoda being a super-awesome lightsaber duelist was in Phantom Menace.

Quote:
Obi-Wan: If you spent as much time practicing your saber techniques as you did your wit, you'd rival Master Yoda as a swordsman.


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If would not have had the big screen action ambience, but I thought his fighting style should have looked slow and thoughtful, he just happens to casually place his blade in the positions that block incoming attacks and gently extends it through the one, tiny, gap in the opponent's defense.


Lemmy wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?
Using the Force to telekinetically wield his sword would've been cool.
That would make him look too much like a Darksider. Also it's not nearly as heroic or badass.
That's arguable... But in any case, is there any need for him to be a super-awesome lightsaber duelist? Isn't being super wise and having super powerful mind powers enough?

No... because he'd already been introduced as someone who was skilled enough to train both Count Dokku and Mace Windu in lightsaber combat.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?

He shouldn't have been a supreme lightsaber duelist.

Yoda was a mystic, a spiritual guru to symbolize that being a Jedi is about so much more than just being a warrior—that was the whole point of Luke being wrong in assuming that because he was looking for a Jedi master, that he was looking for "a great warrior". Yoda should have been above physical combat altogether. Even on the Dark Side, Vader went so far as to say that "the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force", suggesting again that the Force is about far more than combat and physical aggression. OT Palpatine didn't think highly of lightsabers, because he was so powerful that they were like toys to him (and apparently he was so powerful during the PT that he could cloud the minds of all the Jedi, which is the dumbest convenient plot device I can think of). Making characters like Yoda and Palpatine flip around with lightsabers cheapened both of their characters for fanservice and merchandising reasons.


While this whole conversation is rather interesting, maybe it should be moved to another thread.


Athaleon wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?

He shouldn't have been a supreme lightsaber duelist.

Yoda was a mystic, a spiritual guru to symbolize that being a Jedi is about so much more than just being a warrior—that was the whole point of Luke being wrong in assuming that because he was looking for a Jedi master, that he was looking for "a great warrior". Yoda should have been above physical combat altogether. Even on the Dark Side, Vader went so far as to say that "the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force", suggesting again that the Force is about far more than combat and physical aggression. OT Palpatine didn't think highly of lightsabers, because he was so powerful that they were like toys to him (and apparently he was so powerful during the PT that he could cloud the minds of all the Jedi, which is the dumbest convenient plot device I can think of). Making characters like Yoda and Palpatine flip around with lightsabers cheapened both of their characters for fanservice and merchandising reasons.

Fanservice is how you get and maintain a legion of fanatically devoted fans. And merchandising is how the money is made.... which is the whole point of doing these films.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Athaleon wrote:
Empyreal Sorcerer works best, I think. I'm one of those people who thinks George Lucas diminished the character of Yoda by making him flip around with a lightsaber in the prequels.
How else is a Muppet character that small supposed to work as a "supreme lightsaber duelist"?

He shouldn't have been a supreme lightsaber duelist.

Yoda was a mystic, a spiritual guru to symbolize that being a Jedi is about so much more than just being a warrior—that was the whole point of Luke being wrong in assuming that because he was looking for a Jedi master, that he was looking for "a great warrior". Yoda should have been above physical combat altogether. Even on the Dark Side, Vader went so far as to say that "the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force", suggesting again that the Force is about far more than combat and physical aggression. OT Palpatine didn't think highly of lightsabers, because he was so powerful that they were like toys to him (and apparently he was so powerful during the PT that he could cloud the minds of all the Jedi, which is the dumbest convenient plot device I can think of). Making characters like Yoda and Palpatine flip around with lightsabers cheapened both of their characters for fanservice and merchandising reasons.

Fanservice is how you get and maintain a legion of fanatically devoted fans. And merchandising is how the money is made.... which is the whole point of doing these films.

The prequel films were certainly not made because Lucas had a great story he wanted to tell, that I knew already.

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