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thejeff, the FDA needs to be reformed. It takes far to long and is far too expensive for a new drug to reach the market. This means that once a drug hits the market it is very expensive and hard for people that make 40k or less to get.

This one thing I think the Congress and the State department need to work with both the EU equivalent of the FDA and the Japanese FDA to have one set of standards for approving drugs do Rigorous testing to make sure the drug is safe then get it to market. 10 years to get a drug to market is just crazy.

The FDA makes it almost impossible to for drug companies to make orphan drugs for people who have rare diseases because of all the testing that is required before a drug is approved.

I am not a supporter of big Pharma I think they over charge for their products Why should one vial of U-500 Insulin cost $125 for a product that is generic?


Lou Diamond wrote:

thejeff, the FDA needs to be reformed. It takes far to long and is far too expensive for a new drug to reach the market. This means that once a drug hits the market it is very expensive and hard for people that make 40k or less to get.

This one thing I think the Congress and the State department need to work with both the EU equivalent of the FDA and the Japanese FDA to have one set of standards for approving drugs do Rigorous testing to make sure the drug is safe then get it to market. 10 years to get a drug to market is just crazy.

The FDA makes it almost impossible to for drug companies to make orphan drugs for people who have rare diseases because of all the testing that is required before a drug is approved.

I am not a supporter of big Pharma I think they over charge for their products Why should one vial of U-500 Insulin cost $125 for a product that is generic?

As I said, "We can debate the need for specific features, but as a general concept, things like that aren't overreach, right?"

It's a hell of a lot better than the snake oil and patent medicines of the past. Which is what you get when you don't require proof stuff is safe and effective, because it's much cheaper to concoct something random and advertise it than actually develop real drugs.


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thejeff wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
I pretty much agree with the sentiment here. There has to be some oversight, but not to the degree of determining which products you can or can't buy level. I think that's overreach.

I assume that doesn't apply to safety regulations and the like?

Food quality standards?
Medical Drug effectiveness and safety?
Safety features in cars?

We can debate the need for specific features, but as a general concept, things like that aren't overreach, right?

No, those fall within the purview, as long as it is consistent.


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Irontruth wrote:


I've become a capitalist over the past 15 years, it's a system that works really well for large portions of the economy. I think a fair and appropriately regulated economy is better than trying to determine every aspect from on high...

What you describe is the very definition of Democratic Socialism. Essentially, Capitalism, tempered by government to not be as harsh on the citizens.

Considering that about 95% of people I've talked to share a similar economic ideology, I'm always amazed at how b!&*+@~ crazy American politics and media are. Free market capitalism (and libertarianism) are bizarre fantasies that only exists on the furthest fringes, yet it is somehow a holy grail of many elites.

As Yakov Smirnoff once said, "What a country!"


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bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

Penn Jillette's thoughts on throwing his vote away:

** spoiler omitted **

Hear it in his voice!

That is a surprisingly naive view for him. I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.

It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.


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captain yesterday wrote:

RE: A medical doctor dissects Trump's Physician's letter

Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha.

So, Dr. Harold Bornstein graduated from Hollywood Upstairs Medical College? Huh. Trump's publicist, John Miller, got his Certificate of Attendance from Just The Best MBA School, conveniently located next to the dumpster behind Pink's Hot Dogs on La Brea. I guess it's a not yuge small world after all.


captain yesterday wrote:

RE: A medical doctor dissects Trump's Physician's letter

Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha.

*Reads* Wow.

...

You know, it's stuff like this that makes me seriously wonder whether or not Trump is trying to lose the election...


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When do we get to see Hillary's medical stuff?


Rednal wrote:
You know, it's stuff like this that makes me seriously wonder whether or not Trump is trying to lose the election...

Nope. This is literally how Trump runs his business empire on a daily basis. Which, considering my own very-part time employment, is seriously depressing.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

Penn Jillette's thoughts on throwing his vote away:

** spoiler omitted **

Hear it in his voice!

That is a surprisingly naive view for him. I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yes, that's true. Along similar lines, "If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out", monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Any statement that starts with "If false", is logically true.

That's a slight exaggeration. There are cases where voting third party isn't a waste, even on the presidential level, but they only happen when one of the existing two major parties is actually collapsing. Despite Trump's best efforts, we're not there yet. There's an outside chance we're in enough of a realignment it could be true in 2020, but it's still very unlikely. In those cases though it's more a matter of third parties fighting over the still warm corpse of the dying major party to see who gets to replace it. Shortly thereafter it will be pointless to vote 3rd party again.

On the local level, it's sometimes different. There are districts where there is no Democrat/Republican running. In those places, a Libertarian or Green could profitably challenge. Or in districts that are otherwise heavily slanted towards one side. Or any other areas where it's reasonably possible to win.
In most cases it's still more practical to primary candidates and shift the party from inside, as the Tea Party so effectively (and destructively) has done.

Of course, if you vote 3rd party in the general and you're in a swing state or district, your vote may well help bring about a worse outcome than just being wasted.


...Aren't there regulations about impersonating doctors? I mean, he's clearly not afraid of lawsuits, but that seems like something that could hurt him pretty bad if it was found he wrote it himself (and some people definitely think the handwriting might be a match)...


bugleyman wrote:
... I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.

I'm too lazy to create a Tyler Durden Alias, but I just have to bring up the quote: "And how's that working out for you?"

Do you like your choice of candidates for president?

Do you think the US government does a good job of dealing with foreign and domestic issues?

Do you think the government is getting better or worse?

After 4 or 8 years of more-of-the-same, are your choices going to improve, or get worse? How much longer before the system fails? (If you consider the current situation success)

The usual answers point to the need for serious changes. BOTH candidates want to bring the country backward, or essentially maintain the status quo. Anyone who tells me I have to vote for one or the other, is essentially saying that maybe if we try the same thing yet again, we will get different results, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


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Fergie wrote:
Irontruth wrote:


I've become a capitalist over the past 15 years, it's a system that works really well for large portions of the economy. I think a fair and appropriately regulated economy is better than trying to determine every aspect from on high...

What you describe is the very definition of Democratic Socialism. Essentially, Capitalism, tempered by government to not be as harsh on the citizens.

Considering that about 95% of people I've talked to share a similar economic ideology, I'm always amazed at how b@#@@!* crazy American politics and media are. Free market capitalism (and libertarianism) are bizarre fantasies that only exists on the furthest fringes, yet it is somehow a holy grail of many elites.

As Yakov Smirnoff once said, "What a country!"

Not just of the elites. They've conned a huge chunk of the populace into agreeing with them - though as you suggest far less when you describe policies rather than name ideologies.


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Kryzbyn wrote:

When do we get to see Hillary's medical stuff?

A little more than a year ago.

Compare the two letters as well, thinking about the commentary Trump's. Seems pretty obvious to me which one is more professional.


thejeff wrote:
Not just of the elites. They've conned a huge chunk of the populace into agreeing with them - though as you suggest far less when you describe policies rather than name ideologies.

That is exactly it. People love the label of "Free Market" but I have yet to meet someone who thinks that government should allow poisoned milk to be sold, or their neighbors to starve in the street. People don't want market booms followed by collapses every decades, or .01% controlling most of the wealth, or an almost insurmountable class structure. All of the features that are inherent to capitalism, are unwanted by basically every person I have ever met, yet they are among the most celebrated terms in our language.

vvv Krensky vvv - Yeah, I have met a few, especially when it comes down to letting bad things befall minority groups. I have found that if you personalize it for them ("your neighbors", "your family") that it is only the rarest and truly scariest who still say F-em! These people generally don't really believe in government anyway.

Liberty's Edge

I, sadly have.

They're scary 'people'.


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Krensky wrote:

I, sadly have.

They're scary 'people'.

Yes.

I have as well.


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thejeff wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

Penn Jillette's thoughts on throwing his vote away:

** spoiler omitted **

Hear it in his voice!

That is a surprisingly naive view for him. I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yes, that's true. Along similar lines, "If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out", monkeys will fly out of my butt.

Any statement that starts with "If false", is logically true.

That's a slight exaggeration. There are cases where voting third party isn't a waste, even on the presidential level, but they only happen when one of the existing two major parties is actually collapsing. Despite Trump's best efforts, we're not there yet. There's an outside chance we're in enough of a realignment it could be true in 2020, but it's still very unlikely. In those cases though it's more a matter of third parties fighting over the still warm corpse of the dying major party to see who gets to replace it. Shortly thereafter it will be pointless to vote 3rd party again.

On the local level, it's sometimes different. There are districts where there is no Democrat/Republican running. In those places, a Libertarian or Green could profitably challenge. Or in districts that are otherwise heavily slanted towards one side. Or any other areas where it's reasonably possible to win.
In most cases it's still more practical to primary candidates and shift the party from inside, as the Tea Party so effectively (and destructively) has done.

Of course, if you vote 3rd party in the general and you're in a swing...

Well, if someone doesn't like the two party system, and does nothing to change it, they shouldn't condescend to those that are. The only way to change the kind of people the two major parties are putting up to vote on, is not vote for them. Give a chunk of their popular vote to someone else. Not voting at all is a true waste, no offense Anklebiter.


Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yeah, and if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich. Neither one is going to happen.

A third party candidate will not win without systemic changes (or, as the jeff noted, one of the existing parties collapsing...in which case the party isn't really a "third" party). If voting for someone who cannot win isn't a waste, I'm not sure what is.


bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yeah, and if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich. Neither one is going to happen.

A third party candidate will not win without systemic changes (or, as the jeff noted, one of the existing parties collapsing...in which case the party isn't really a "third" party). If voting for someone who cannot win isn't a waste, I'm not sure what is.

If 3rd parties start pulling significant numbers of protest votes then people with similar ideologies within the major parties know they have backing to be more vocal about ideas less mainstream within the major party. This can cause drift within the larger party towards your preferred ideologies.


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Caineach wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yeah, and if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich. Neither one is going to happen.

A third party candidate will not win without systemic changes (or, as the jeff noted, one of the existing parties collapsing...in which case the party isn't really a "third" party). If voting for someone who cannot win isn't a waste, I'm not sure what is.

If 3rd parties start pulling significant numbers of protest votes then people with similar ideologies within the major parties know they have backing to be more vocal about ideas less mainstream within the major party. This can cause drift within the larger party towards your preferred ideologies.

Exactly this. The 3rd party may not replace one of the big two, but it may alter thinking within one of the big 2. Either way, mission accomplished, and no vote wasted.


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Fergie wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
... I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.

I'm too lazy to create a Tyler Durden Alias, but I just have to bring up the quote: "And how's that working out for you?"

Do you like your choice of candidates for president?

Do you think the US government does a good job of dealing with foreign and domestic issues?

Do you think the government is getting better or worse?

After 4 or 8 years of more-of-the-same, are your choices going to improve, or get worse? How much longer before the system fails? (If you consider the current situation success)

The usual answers point to the need for serious changes. BOTH candidates want to bring the country backward, or essentially maintain the status quo. Anyone who tells me I have to vote for one or the other, is essentially saying that maybe if we try the same thing yet again, we will get different results, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I like one of them. Not perfect, but neither are any of the 3rd party or independent candidates. I accept that I am not representative of the majority of the population and thus a democracy will not produce results that completely satisfy me.

I think the government is doing a decent job with both. More militant and more hegemonic than I'd like, but (to touch the next question) better than 8 years ago and probably better than 4.
I'm not so much concerned with whether our choices will be better or worse in 4/8 years but whether our situation will be. I think that's likely with Clinton. As for choices - 8 years of Bush gave us a choice of Clinton or Obama. 8 years of Obama gave us a choice of Sanders or Clinton. It's quite possible 8 years of Clinton will leave us in an even better place for an insurgent candidate on the left. I don't particularly care about the Republican candidate, since barring serious changes, I'm not going to support whoever it is, but I'd say they've gotten worse: McCain and Romney are kind of toss-up, Trump is far worse.

It's not clear to me what you mean by "the system fails". In one sense it fails all the time. And succeeds all the time as well. Some good things get done. Some necessary things don't. Etc.
If you mean more a kind of complete disastrous failure. It's possible. We could elect Trump. :)
On a structural level, the failure that's happening now is largely the obstruction of the Republican Party and their inability to function. Which has been discussed at length in this thread, but I'll just say the "serious changes" you want to see are actually playing out right now, just on a longer scale than you like - and maybe not in a direction you'd like. The Republican Party has changed drastically over the last 8 years, driven by choices and changes made over the last 50 or so. They're reaching the end of the devil's bargain they made with the Southern Strategy and later the Religious Right. They can't run on angry white men much longer and are going to have to change or die.
I'll freely admit, as I've said before, that does give the chance of an opening for a 3rd party to replace them, though I think it's still a cycle or two off and it's even more likely they'll change.
Of course, unless they broaden their appeal dramatically, I strongly doubt it's going to be any of major 3rd parties today. Theoretically the Libertarians could absorb enough disgruntled Republicans to replace them, but they'd have to change drastically. Even most Republicans don't actually want to privatise Social Security, for example. OTOH, former Republican governor Gary Johnson being their candidate may suggest that process is underway, despite his rhetoric.

So let me ask you, if we suddenly magically convinced everyone that it wasn't a waste to vote for Independents and 3rd parties, what do you think would happen? Would there be a sudden groundswell of people who really thought all along that Jill Stein was the best choice but hadn't thought she could win? Would 51% of the voting populace choose Gary Johnson? Is there really hidden majority (or even plurality?) support for one of the dozens of Third party or Independent candidates? Who?
Even if we implemented something like IRV or some other ranked choice voting, do you really think any of these candidates are mainstream enough to win?

Regardless, you can vote for whoever you want. Plenty of people have

The largest structural problem we have now is


Caineach wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yeah, and if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich. Neither one is going to happen.

A third party candidate will not win without systemic changes (or, as the jeff noted, one of the existing parties collapsing...in which case the party isn't really a "third" party). If voting for someone who cannot win isn't a waste, I'm not sure what is.

If 3rd parties start pulling significant numbers of protest votes then people with similar ideologies within the major parties know they have backing to be more vocal about ideas less mainstream within the major party. This can cause drift within the larger party towards your preferred ideologies.

How well has that been working?

Especially compared to the Tea Party tactic of staying within the party and working the primaries.

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Here's something for all you multiparty people to chew on.

To be elected President you need to win an absolute majority of electoral votes. Not the most vote (a simple majority) but an absolute one. That's where the 270 votes comes from.

If no one gets 270 electoral votes the House gets to pick from the three highest scoring candidates.

So if you got your wish of lots of parties able to pull meaningful electoral results you'd actually have a pretty good shot at seeing less democracy then we see now.


Krensky wrote:

Here's something for all you multiparty people to chew on.

To be elected President you need to win an absolute majority of electoral votes. Not the most vote (a simple majority) but an absolute one. That's where the 270 votes comes from.

If no one gets 270 electoral votes the House gets to pick from the three highest scoring candidates.

So if you got your wish of lots of parties able to pull meaningful electoral results you'd actually have a pretty good shot at seeing less democracy then we see now.

Yet another reason it simply will not happen. At least not as a stable multiparty system.

If you want that change, I suggest working on trying to rewrite the Constitution wholescale to shift us to something more like a proportional parliamentary system. Cause that's how you have multi party countries.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
Caineach wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not naive, it's fighting condescension. If enough people vote for a 3rd party to knock one of the other two out, it's progress, or evolution of a sort. Don't tell me my vote is wasted anymore than gaming is a waste of my time. Right in the neck.

Yeah, and if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich. Neither one is going to happen.

A third party candidate will not win without systemic changes (or, as the jeff noted, one of the existing parties collapsing...in which case the party isn't really a "third" party). If voting for someone who cannot win isn't a waste, I'm not sure what is.

If 3rd parties start pulling significant numbers of protest votes then people with similar ideologies within the major parties know they have backing to be more vocal about ideas less mainstream within the major party. This can cause drift within the larger party towards your preferred ideologies.
Exactly this. The 3rd party may not replace one of the big two, but it may alter thinking within one of the big 2. Either way, mission accomplished, and no vote wasted.

In the U.S., there is actually a much more effective way of altering one of the two parties' ideologies: vote in the primaries. Even one hundred years ago, the two major parties didn't have anything close to the policy platforms they have now. Parties do not have ideologies beyond those of their nominees, which in turn depend on their voters. The only thing even remotely "fixed" about the two big parties are their names. There is no ideological test required to vote in a primary. In some states, you do have to register as a "member" of the party, but there are no requirements for doing so (beyond the normal voter regestration requirements). You can be a registered Republican and vote for the Democrat in every general election, and you'd still be eligible to vote in Republican primaries. You can even switch your voting registration based on which party has a more competitive primary that cycle (many Democrats registered to vote in the Republican primary during the 2012 cycle, since the Democratic primary was largely uncontested. The same thing happened in reverse in the 2004 primaries).

Point being, if you don't like either major party's platform, you can vote in the primaries for a candidate who is closer to you. If all the people who call themselves libertarian had voted for Rand Paul in the Republican primary, we may well have ended up with a Paul vs Clinton match, and we'd all be arguing over Paul's plagiarism scandal instead of Trump University. If more people who say they hate Clinton had showed up to vote for Sanders, we would have Sanders as our Democratic nominee.

Our current president says "don't boo, vote!" That advice applies equally as much to primaries as to general elections. Especially if you feel you dislike both major parties.


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137ben wrote:

the two big parties are their names. There is no ideological test required to vote in a primary. In some states, you do have to register as a "member" of the party, but there are no requirements for doing so (beyond the normal voter regestration requirements). You can be a registered Republican and vote for the Democrat in every general election, and you'd still be eligible to vote in Republican primaries. You can even switch your voting registration based on which party has a more competitive primary that cycle (many Democrats registered to vote in the Republican primary during the 2012 cycle, since the Democratic primary was largely uncontested. The same thing happened in reverse in the 2004 primaries).

Point being, if you don't like either major party's platform, you can vote in the primaries for a candidate who is closer to you. If all the people who call themselves libertarian had voted for Rand Paul in the Republican primary, we may well have ended up with a Paul vs Clinton match, and we'd all be arguing over Paul's plagiarism scandal instead of Trump University. If more people who say they hate Clinton had showed up to vote for Sanders, we would have Sanders as our Democratic nominee.

Our current president says "don't boo, vote!" That advice applies equally as much to primaries as to general elections. Especially if you feel you dislike both major parties.

And not just the President either. You really want to shape the parties, go down ticket. Practically nobody votes in even Congressional primaries, much less state and local ones. That's where you can change the party.


Caineach wrote:
If 3rd parties start pulling significant numbers of protest votes then people with similar ideologies within the major parties know they have backing to be more vocal about ideas less mainstream within the major party. This can cause drift within the larger party towards your preferred ideologies.

And again, if I could pick the winning lottery numbers in advance, I'd be rich.

The validity of your argument is irrelevant when your premise never actually occurs.


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Krensky wrote:

Here's something for all you multiparty people to chew on.

To be elected President you need to win an absolute majority of electoral votes. Not the most vote (a simple majority) but an absolute one. That's where the 270 votes comes from.

If no one gets 270 electoral votes the House gets to pick from the three highest scoring candidates.

So if you got your wish of lots of parties able to pull meaningful electoral results you'd actually have a pretty good shot at seeing less democracy then we see now.

So be it, I guess. This is the system we have, and we have to use what we have.


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*looks at paws. Looks at citizenship test*

Dammit.


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It's Trump. For all we know, he might literally mean making sure refugees get distemper/parvo vaccinations, be trained to obey dog-whistles, and then wear the Cone of Shame.


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Fergie wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
... I don't *like* that we have a two party system, but that doesn't make it any less a fact.

I'm too lazy to create a Tyler Durden Alias, but I just have to bring up the quote: "And how's that working out for you?"

Do you like your choice of candidates for president?

Do you think the US government does a good job of dealing with foreign and domestic issues?

Do you think the government is getting better or worse?

After 4 or 8 years of more-of-the-same, are your choices going to improve, or get worse? How much longer before the system fails? (If you consider the current situation success)

The usual answers point to the need for serious changes. BOTH candidates want to bring the country backward, or essentially maintain the status quo. Anyone who tells me I have to vote for one or the other, is essentially saying that maybe if we try the same thing yet again, we will get different results, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

In order:

I like one of my choices, but I've been fully expecting to vote for Hillary for President since before I was old enough to vote.

I do think the Us government does a pretty good job, there's room to improve of course, but it's not the worst.

I think the government is, slowly, getting better. We're now at least saying that people should be treated like people. As opposed to our previous, only some people count attitude.

Assuming 8 yrs of the same, my choices are likely to get better. It's literally impossible to determine how long before the system fails, nobody has anything even approaching an educated guess, wild numbers with no backing is all anybody can answer that with.


Opinion: Part of Trump's latest campaign shakeup basically involves giving him a babysitter.


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Rednal wrote:
Opinion: Part of Trump's latest campaign shakeup basically involves giving him a babysitter.

1d4 ⇒ 4 goblin babies think this is the Worst. Remake. Ever.


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Rednal wrote:
Opinion: Part of Trump's latest campaign shakeup basically involves giving him a babysitter.

I've seen this movie


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... GET OUT OF MY BRAIN


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CBDunkerson wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
To me, the message of conservatism is about raising everyone up, keeping the playing field even so that anyone, no matter their background, can succeed.

So... progressivism?

Granted, neither term actually means what you say, but 'progressives' have actively supported those ideals for decades (always?) while 'conservatives' have actively opposed them.

Once upon a time (before I was old enough to vote in reality) one could be both a conservative AND a progressive.

For example, Nixon (yes, Nixon!) was the president when the following things were created.

Environmental Protection Agency
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
Endangered Species Act
Earned Income Tax Credit
OSHA
Equal Employment Opportunity Act

He also ended dumping in the Great Lakes, required federal contractors to use affirmative action, passed the SALT treaty, proposed a universal health insurance mandate (killed by Ted Kennedy for not being liberal enough) and as vice president cast the tie-breaking vote to strengthen black voting rights in the Southern US (JFK's vote was for Jim Crow) in 1959.

He was also a paranoid racist willing to play upon the public's worst instincts, but that's the part everyone remembers.


Rednal wrote:
Opinion: Part of Trump's latest campaign shakeup basically involves giving him a babysitter.

It's possible. OTOH, the other part is hiring the executive chairman of Breitbart, so I don't think we're going to be seeing a more restrained Trump as part of that deal, babysitter or no.

Likely it's going to be all out conspiracy theories and attacks on Clinton.


Yeah...the Breitbart support suggests Trump is probably going to just double down on what he has been doing the last few weeks. We will see how many more teleprompter speeches occur post transition

Like I implied before, I think Trump wants the fame of the presidency, not the actual job. He enjoys the attention, and his normal mode of speaking at rallies does a better job of that. Even if at the same time it's driving off moderates and even regular republicans in droves, while scaring the crap out of people who don't like Hillary and probably wouldn't show up election day if Trump wasn't around.


Just going to leave this here


...the only prospect more terrifying than voting for Hillary Clinton is not voting for her.

That's a direct quote from the guy that wrote the speech for the mother that spoke at the RNC.


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Maneuvermoose wrote:
HUUUGE Secret revealed: how EXTREME vetting will work!
It's Trump. For all we know, he might literally mean making sure refugees get distemper/parvo vaccinations, be trained to obey dog-whistles, and then wear the Cone of Shame.

Or we trap them in rigged Porta Potties.


Grey Lensman wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
To me, the message of conservatism is about raising everyone up, keeping the playing field even so that anyone, no matter their background, can succeed.

So... progressivism?

Granted, neither term actually means what you say, but 'progressives' have actively supported those ideals for decades (always?) while 'conservatives' have actively opposed them.

Once upon a time (before I was old enough to vote in reality) one could be both a conservative AND a progressive.

For example, Nixon (yes, Nixon!) was the president when the following things were created.

Environmental Protection Agency
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
Endangered Species Act
Earned Income Tax Credit
OSHA
Equal Employment Opportunity Act

He also ended dumping in the Great Lakes, required federal contractors to use affirmative action, passed the SALT treaty, proposed a universal health insurance mandate (killed by Ted Kennedy for not being liberal enough) and as vice president cast the tie-breaking vote to strengthen black voting rights in the Southern US (JFK's vote was for Jim Crow) in 1959.

He was also a paranoid racist willing to play upon the public's worst instincts, but that's the part everyone remembers.

That and those minor bits about a breakin at psychiatrist's office and sabotaging the 1968 Paris accords so that the Democrats would not get a poltical victory by ending the Vietnam war.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Just going to leave this here

Clinton is more than twice as likely to win Texas than Trump is to win the election.

I'll repeat - Trump winning the election would be way more surprising than a Democrat winning the state of Texas.

Yee haw.


Under the current odds, anyway - that's likely to change somewhat by the time November arrives, though how much it changes is less certain. XD


Yes, they expect things to tighten up as the election gets closer.

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