paizo.com Recent Posts in The Harrowed Mediumpaizo.com Recent Posts in The Harrowed Medium2016-07-28T22:25:08Z2016-07-28T22:25:08ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumPFRPGrognard (alias of Brother Fen)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#502019-08-09T06:14:17Z2019-08-09T06:14:17Z<p>Thanks for the recommendation. I'll do just that.</p>Thanks for the recommendation. I'll do just that.PFRPGrognard (alias of Brother Fen)2019-08-09T06:14:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed Mediumerictheclerichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#492019-08-07T22:35:50Z2019-08-07T22:35:50Z<p>Are you aware of the <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/191763/Grimoire-of-Lost-Souls" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Grimoire of Lost Souls</a>?</p>
<p>You used to be able to buy a hardcopy version of it, but I see that you can still purchase the PDF.</p>Are you aware of the Grimoire of Lost Souls?
You used to be able to buy a hardcopy version of it, but I see that you can still purchase the PDF.ericthecleric2019-08-07T22:35:50ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumPFRPGrognard (alias of Brother Fen)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#482019-08-06T20:38:09Z2019-08-06T20:38:09Z<p>This will go down as one that got away in PF1. Maybe someone will make their own one day.</p>This will go down as one that got away in PF1. Maybe someone will make their own one day.PFRPGrognard (alias of Brother Fen)2019-08-06T20:38:09ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumDracalahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#472019-02-27T10:28:33Z2019-02-27T10:27:57Z<p>Remembering this recently, and really wishing that we could have had this before 2E, hearing the official response, makes me pretty sad :< Especially as someone who isn't looking that forward to 2E, but was looking forward to this back during the Occult Adventures Playtest x.x</p>
<p>I do understand, I really do.... But it doesn't stop the hurt train from coming.</p>Remembering this recently, and really wishing that we could have had this before 2E, hearing the official response, makes me pretty sad :< Especially as someone who isn't looking that forward to 2E, but was looking forward to this back during the Occult Adventures Playtest x.x
I do understand, I really do.... But it doesn't stop the hurt train from coming.Dracala2019-02-27T10:27:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumGulthorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#462018-04-07T23:01:35Z2018-04-07T23:01:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p> It's not set in stone, but it's limited, and since a big part of the problem with the Harrowed Medium is that it's so complex that it won't fit into a 32 page player's guide, and might not even fit into a 64 page Campaign Setting, it's kind of its own worst enemy there. Using an entire book of the few we've got left to support a single class isn't a great idea to me, even if said class were something as central as the cleric or wizard or rogue or fighter.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that we won't be releasing the Harrowed Medium in print, as a result. (And this is why I generally prefer not to release information about significantly-sized things we decide to cut from content—it sets unrealistic expectations.)</p>
<p>And since creating a PDF only product entails the exact same amount of work for us as would a print product, that's not an option either.</p>
<p>So from the dreaded Office of Expectation Management, do not expect the Harrowed Medium to see print for 1st edition Pathfinder... Sorry! :-( </blockquote><p>Thanks for the official response.
<p>But please indulge me in allowing me to say BOOOOOO!!!</p>
<p>I do understand. I do get it. But if there's no desire to release it as a product, I hope you'll consider releasing it as a blog post. There's still a lot of time left between now and next July, so I dearly hope you'll allow it to make it to our hands.</p>
<p>But the candid answer is appreciated no matter what.</p>James Jacobs wrote:It's not set in stone, but it's limited, and since a big part of the problem with the Harrowed Medium is that it's so complex that it won't fit into a 32 page player's guide, and might not even fit into a 64 page Campaign Setting, it's kind of its own worst enemy there. Using an entire book of the few we've got left to support a single class isn't a great idea to me, even if said class were something as central as the cleric or wizard or rogue or fighter.
I'm pretty sure...Gulthor2018-04-07T23:01:35ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumIlleisthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#452018-04-07T08:40:10Z2018-04-07T08:40:10Z<p>I appreciate the harsh truths. At least now we know. Time to go drink away my sorrows.</p>I appreciate the harsh truths. At least now we know. Time to go drink away my sorrows.Illeist2018-04-07T08:40:10ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumJames Jacobs (Creative Director)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#442018-04-07T08:39:27Z2018-04-06T20:13:31Z<p>It's not set in stone, but it's limited, and since a big part of the problem with the Harrowed Medium is that it's so complex that it won't fit into a 32 page player's guide, and might not even fit into a 64 page Campaign Setting, it's kind of its own worst enemy there. Using an entire book of the few we've got left to support a single class isn't a great idea to me, even if said class were something as central as the cleric or wizard or rogue or fighter.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that we won't be releasing the Harrowed Medium in print, as a result. (And this is why I generally prefer not to release information about significantly-sized things we decide to cut from content—it sets unrealistic expectations.)</p>
<p>And since creating a PDF only product entails the exact same amount of work for us as would a print product, that's not an option either.</p>
<p>So from the dreaded Office of Expectation Management, do not expect the Harrowed Medium to see print for 1st edition Pathfinder... Sorry! :-(</p>It's not set in stone, but it's limited, and since a big part of the problem with the Harrowed Medium is that it's so complex that it won't fit into a 32 page player's guide, and might not even fit into a 64 page Campaign Setting, it's kind of its own worst enemy there. Using an entire book of the few we've got left to support a single class isn't a great idea to me, even if said class were something as central as the cleric or wizard or rogue or fighter.
I'm pretty sure that we won't be...James Jacobs (Creative Director)2018-04-06T20:13:31ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumPartizanskihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#432018-04-06T17:06:54Z2018-04-06T17:06:54Z<p>Agreed. I am actually playing a harrowed medium in my curse of the crimson throne AP. The GM and I worked out about ~8 spirit powers and spells, but I would love the see the powers Paizo came out with.</p>
<p>Not gonna lie, I would pay for a standalone pdf that had just the harrow medium rules in their current state if they released it.</p>Agreed. I am actually playing a harrowed medium in my curse of the crimson throne AP. The GM and I worked out about ~8 spirit powers and spells, but I would love the see the powers Paizo came out with.
Not gonna lie, I would pay for a standalone pdf that had just the harrow medium rules in their current state if they released it.Partizanski2018-04-06T17:06:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumIlleisthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#422018-04-06T16:47:24Z2018-04-06T16:47:24Z<p>Is the production schedule between now and PF2e basically set in stone? If not, we absolutely need to campaign to get this book in there. If Pathfinder 1e concludes with no Harrowed Medium, I'll be a very sad person.</p>Is the production schedule between now and PF2e basically set in stone? If not, we absolutely need to campaign to get this book in there. If Pathfinder 1e concludes with no Harrowed Medium, I'll be a very sad person.Illeist2018-04-06T16:47:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumKalindlara (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#412018-01-05T20:38:49Z2018-01-05T20:38:49Z<p>I wouldn't mind seeing an unchained fighter, either. Even if it's just made to include the advanced weapon/armor training options. If it's on the PRD, even better, since that lets us add new AAT/AWT options in any book.</p>
<p>So maybe something for a <i>Pathfinder Unchained 2</i>. They'd still need enough to fill out a full hardcover, though...</p>I wouldn't mind seeing an unchained fighter, either. Even if it's just made to include the advanced weapon/armor training options. If it's on the PRD, even better, since that lets us add new AAT/AWT options in any book.
So maybe something for a Pathfinder Unchained 2. They'd still need enough to fill out a full hardcover, though...Kalindlara (Contributor)2018-01-05T20:38:49ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumBloodrealmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#402018-01-05T20:29:30Z2018-01-05T20:29:30Z<p>Medium and Shifter <i>both</i> need to take a mulligan on design pretty badly, so why not make a book with Unchained Medium and Unchained Shifter?</p>Medium and Shifter both need to take a mulligan on design pretty badly, so why not make a book with Unchained Medium and Unchained Shifter?Bloodrealm2018-01-05T20:29:30ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumGulthorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#392018-04-08T16:51:12Z2018-01-03T13:55:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Is the occult adventures playtest medium available anywhere still? I never got to read it and even if I don't have time to homebrew it, I definitely have players who would be waaay into it. </p>
<p>Though Mark will probably never bring it up again, I do think there is potential as a pack-in with an extra fancy harrow deck, or as a tier incentive for some bundle or similar campaign.</blockquote><p>I went digging for it a while back and didn't have much success. I had it on an old hard drive, but I haven't tried digging out the old thing. I'd also love a copy if someone has it to share.
<p>I'm still far more interested in buying the Harrowed Medium from Paizo, of course...</p>
<p>Edit: I'm an idiot. It wasn't on my old computer, it was on my phone's SD card.</p>
<p>I hope it's okay to post this? (Should be, I believe all these pieces are available on public sources, and the original download was free for public use.)</p>
<p>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t_cImakJn2oSRpEnluZUGcqVEaMEt_T2/view?usp= drivesdk</p>
<p>I'll start working on extrapolating a fan version this week/weekend.</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1rj?The-Harrow-Character-Generation-Attribute#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">After all, I have some experience with Harrow home brew :P</a></p>PossibleCabbage wrote:Is the occult adventures playtest medium available anywhere still? I never got to read it and even if I don't have time to homebrew it, I definitely have players who would be waaay into it.
Though Mark will probably never bring it up again, I do think there is potential as a pack-in with an extra fancy harrow deck, or as a tier incentive for some bundle or similar campaign.
I went digging for it a while back and didn't have much success. I had it on an old hard drive,...Gulthor2018-01-03T13:55:16ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumHubarishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#382023-03-07T14:58:47Z2018-01-03T08:14:41Z<p>Dreamscarred Press' Psionics Augmented Empath Medium is pretty close in terms of complexity (though not the same flavor), having a whole book dedicated to it. Doesn't solve the problem but may stave you off.</p>Dreamscarred Press' Psionics Augmented Empath Medium is pretty close in terms of complexity (though not the same flavor), having a whole book dedicated to it. Doesn't solve the problem but may stave you off.Hubaris2018-01-03T08:14:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumPossibleCabbagehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#372018-01-02T19:00:43Z2018-01-02T19:00:43Z<p>Is the occult adventures playtest medium available anywhere still? I never got to read it and even if I don't have time to homebrew it, I definitely have players who would be waaay into it. </p>
<p>Though Mark will probably never bring it up again, I do think there is potential as a pack-in with an extra fancy harrow deck, or as a tier incentive for some bundle or similar campaign.</p>Is the occult adventures playtest medium available anywhere still? I never got to read it and even if I don't have time to homebrew it, I definitely have players who would be waaay into it.
Though Mark will probably never bring it up again, I do think there is potential as a pack-in with an extra fancy harrow deck, or as a tier incentive for some bundle or similar campaign.PossibleCabbage2018-01-02T19:00:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumBlake's Tigerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#362018-01-02T18:28:35Z2018-01-02T18:28:35Z<p>Still loved what I saw of the playtest (Harrowed) Medium that I checked back on this after all this time.</p>
<p>You know, since 54 spirits is a giant chunk of space in a book, I would buy it with 6 spirits (one from each suit) and every product where they release a new spirit or two (like how they add bloodlines and mysteries in PC, CS, or APs).</p>Still loved what I saw of the playtest (Harrowed) Medium that I checked back on this after all this time.
You know, since 54 spirits is a giant chunk of space in a book, I would buy it with 6 spirits (one from each suit) and every product where they release a new spirit or two (like how they add bloodlines and mysteries in PC, CS, or APs).Blake's Tiger2018-01-02T18:28:35ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumGulthorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#352017-05-30T18:07:29Z2017-05-30T14:51:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Serisan wrote:</div><blockquote> I spoke with Mark about this at PaizoCon. He's pretty sure there will be blood when he asks again. The team is a bit tired of the question. I reminded him of my open wallet policy, but the honest truth here is that this is a limited interest option that eats an entire book practically and it will likely not fit into the already tight release cycle, despite already being content complete. It's painfully unlikely that anyone will ever get the final version because it was written on Paizo time, so it's Paizo property.</blockquote><p>Thanks for the info. Sounds like prime homebrew material, then. I've been mulling over writing it up, but held off for the "official" version.
<p>But if Paizo doesn't want my money, then I won't waste any more time waiting to give it to them.</p>
<p>Thanks for trying, Mark!!! You know how much we'd have loved to see the original product.</p>Serisan wrote:I spoke with Mark about this at PaizoCon. He's pretty sure there will be blood when he asks again. The team is a bit tired of the question. I reminded him of my open wallet policy, but the honest truth here is that this is a limited interest option that eats an entire book practically and it will likely not fit into the already tight release cycle, despite already being content complete. It's painfully unlikely that anyone will ever get the final version because it was written...Gulthor2017-05-30T14:51:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumSerisanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#342017-05-30T19:35:48Z2017-05-30T14:17:33Z<p>I spoke with Mark about this at PaizoCon. He's pretty sure there will be blood when he asks again. The team is a bit tired of the question. I reminded him of my open wallet policy, but the honest truth here is that this is a limited interest option that eats an entire book practically and it will likely not fit into the already tight release cycle, despite already being content complete. It's painfully unlikely that anyone will ever get the final version because it was written on Paizo time, so it's Paizo property.</p>I spoke with Mark about this at PaizoCon. He's pretty sure there will be blood when he asks again. The team is a bit tired of the question. I reminded him of my open wallet policy, but the honest truth here is that this is a limited interest option that eats an entire book practically and it will likely not fit into the already tight release cycle, despite already being content complete. It's painfully unlikely that anyone will ever get the final version because it was written on Paizo time,...Serisan2017-05-30T14:17:33ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumGulthorhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#332017-05-30T14:12:32Z2017-05-30T14:07:52Z<p>How about you just throw it in a book with the <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1rj?The-Harrow-Character-Generation-Attribute#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Harrow Character Generation method</a> that I updated from your old Dragon article and call it a day ;)</p>
<p>I continue to assert no ownership of my update, and would be thrilled if it saw use.</p>
<p>But I stand by my statement from last year. I don't really care what else is in the book, I'll buy it immediately just for the Harrowed Medium.</p>How about you just throw it in a book with the Harrow Character Generation method that I updated from your old Dragon article and call it a day ;)
I continue to assert no ownership of my update, and would be thrilled if it saw use.
But I stand by my statement from last year. I don't really care what else is in the book, I'll buy it immediately just for the Harrowed Medium.Gulthor2017-05-30T14:07:52ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed Mediumjedi8187https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#322017-05-16T20:51:28Z2017-05-16T20:51:28Z<p>Always waiting</p>Always waitingjedi81872017-05-16T20:51:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumSerisanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#312017-05-16T12:52:05Z2017-05-16T12:52:05Z<p>I've been saving my quarterly check-in for PaizoCon. :-p</p>I've been saving my quarterly check-in for PaizoCon. :-pSerisan2017-05-16T12:52:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed Mediumcaptain yesterdayhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#302017-05-16T10:54:40Z2017-05-16T10:47:46Z<p>Meh, i've moved on.</p>Meh, i've moved on.captain yesterday2017-05-16T10:47:46ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumDM_aka_Dudemeisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#292017-05-16T10:23:48Z2017-05-16T10:23:48Z<p>I too wish to see the Harrowed Medium in action.</p>I too wish to see the Harrowed Medium in action.DM_aka_Dudemeister2017-05-16T10:23:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumThe NPChttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#282017-05-16T05:07:47Z2017-05-16T05:07:47Z<p>Mr. Mark Seifter,</p>
<p>A while ago we heard that was or might be some traction on the Harrowed Medium. Do you know of any updates in that regards?</p>Mr. Mark Seifter,
A while ago we heard that was or might be some traction on the Harrowed Medium. Do you know of any updates in that regards?The NPC2017-05-16T05:07:47ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumSerisanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#272017-01-21T03:37:37Z2017-01-21T03:37:37Z<p>Has it been a quarter since my last poke at this topic? I know I brought it up in another thread a while back. Yes, put me in the "open wallet" category when it comes to this, even though I don't typically buy product anymore.</p>Has it been a quarter since my last poke at this topic? I know I brought it up in another thread a while back. Yes, put me in the "open wallet" category when it comes to this, even though I don't typically buy product anymore.Serisan2017-01-21T03:37:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The Harrowed MediumThe NPChttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tt6l?The-Harrowed-Medium#262017-01-21T01:20:01Z2017-01-21T01:20:01Z<p>Would very much like to have this, but I believe Mr. Mark Seifter is already aware of my desire.</p>Would very much like to have this, but I believe Mr. Mark Seifter is already aware of my desire.The NPC2017-01-21T01:20:01Z