Mystery Cultist, Demoniac and diabolist question


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All 3 of these class have a feature that makes it so your character dies it is suposed to ''reincarnate as an outsider'' in due time. How as a DM should i consider this, should the player be able to join back in game as an outsider of the appropriate CR after death if summoned by another player?

exemple: Blessed (Ex) Upon a mystery cultist's death, her soul appears in the good Outer Planes. In time, her soul will transform into an agathion, angel, archon, or azata. If the mystery cultist is successfully resurrected, she may immediately gain the answer to any one question as if she had cast contact other plane and reached her empyreal lord patron. The mystery cultist need not succeed at an Intelligence check to avoid a decrease in Intelligence or Charisma. The empyreal lord is treated as an “intermediate deity of the Outer Planes”—treat any “lie” result as “don't know” instead.

due to this ability my CR 10 Chaotic good mystery cultist player would join back as a lillend.

I considered the fact spells like wish and even rituals could do this kind of thing (see the ritual to becoming a full demon in lord of chaos) and tought that a class feature offering this kind of effect wasnt such a bad idea long as its controlled.

This is a mather of interpretation but what is paizo standing about this?


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Key words are "In time". If nobody brings the Mystery Cultist back to life, she is eventually transformed from a petitioner to some sort of Celestial.

If somebody casts Raise Dead, Reincarnate, or some other spell to bring the Mystery Cultist back to life, you follow the rules for the spell in question and then let her gain the answer to one question of her choice per the Blessed ability.


I believe it takes souls something like a few hundred years to transform normally, so it'd be a heck of a resurrection spell to bring them back. Plus, once they've transformed, they aren't really dead anymore. In addition, resurrection spells restore you to your original body. The transformation is a natural process that happens to many people going to a plane, not something granted exclusively as a class feature.


QuidEst wrote:
I believe it takes souls something like a few hundred years to transform normally, so it'd be a heck of a resurrection spell to bring them back. Plus, once they've transformed, they aren't really dead anymore. In addition, resurrection spells restore you to your original body. The transformation is a natural process that happens to many people going to a plane, not something granted exclusively as a class feature.

Whats the point mentionning it in the class feature for then? If its an automatism cant the guy just ask the party to wait a year and then summon him/her to the plane via planar binding to resume helping?


This is how it works for normal souls that go to Hell. I don't know about the others.

Pathfinderwiki Page On Devils wrote:
Created from the souls of the damned, their individuality and identity stripped away through centuries of torment until they are reduced to mindless piles of flesh called lemures, devils rise through the ranks by proving themselves through ages of service and torture.

So it takes centuries for a normal soul to turn into a devil. Whether that process would be sped up by either class levels or any good favor they've built up with their deity is up to the GM I think. The ability doesn't state it does.


I would agree with the notion of it taking hundreds of years for the transformation to take place. Generally, the moment the character has been dead long enough that a CL 20 True Resurrection cannot bring them back, they've become an outsider.

As for the question, I would say the mystery cultist gets the answer to the question if they've been dead for any length of time, and are of course still resurrectable.

As for the benefit of becoming an outsider after a few centuries, it might be a nice touch for future campaigns set in the same world.

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