Saving throw stat swap


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My inquiry is straightforward and simple: I'm looking for any feats or traits that can be used to substitute the main stat for one saving throw for another stat. (Example: DnD 3.5 had Insightful reflexes, which let you use your intelligence bonus in place of your Dexterity bonus for reflex saves). Specifically, I'm looking for something, direct or indirect, that will let me swap my intelligence into either reflex or will saves, as I didn't see Insightful Reflexes listed as a Pathfinder feat.


Well it's not Intelligence, but there's a Lunar oracle revelation that lets you swap Charisma into your AC and reflex. I think it's called Prophetic Armor.


Anything is useful, I might use it in a future character :D Thanks. The AC part is definitely interesting.


This is not needed in Pathfinder. Most classes that are based on a non-saving throw attribute have tools to boost their saves.


As a houserule, I allow my players to decide where they want to put their saving throws. I even use a "middle advancement chart" where they can split a +2 into two lesser saving throws.


Lord Corvus wrote:
Well it's not Intelligence, but there's a Lunar oracle revelation that lets you swap Charisma into your AC and reflex. I think it's called Prophetic Armor.

A Nature oracle gets a similar revelation called Nature's Whispers. Its slightly better in that it applies to your CMD as well. Prophetic Armor doesn't.


(Unless it's for PFS) you can always ask your GM to allow Insightful Reflexes. 3.5 in not incompatible with PF :)


Mesmerist adds Charisma instead of Wisdom to Will.

And, of course, the Paladin adds Charisma to all saves.


Secret wizard, that's great but right this moment I'm playing a high-int rogue with middling str, con, and dex, and a null on wisdom.

And yeah, "ask the DM" was the plan for that one, specifically, I doubt he'd mind, I was just hoping there was something inherent to the game that would let me play musical stats.

Nature oracle. I'll have to remember that.


Zarius wrote:

Secret wizard, that's great but right this moment I'm playing a high-int rogue with middling str, con, and dex, and a null on wisdom.

And yeah, "ask the DM" was the plan for that one, specifically, I doubt he'd mind, I was just hoping there was something inherent to the game that would let me play musical stats.

Nature oracle. I'll have to remember that.

Oh yeah, the game is not meant to support high INT rogues. It actually sends you mixed messages to actually dump INT because they need every other stat and they already get so many skill points per level, plus not that many use to Knowledge skills without Bardic Knowledge or a similar feature.

I can recommend you to use Twist Away to protect yourself from Fort saves.


OK, THAT is nice. That is very nice. i like that. That will do me nicely. Thanks!


The Guy With A Face wrote:
A Nature oracle gets a similar revelation called Nature's Whispers. Its slightly better in that it applies to your CMD as well. Prophetic Armor doesn't.

But it doesn't apply to any saves, unfortunately.


Steadfast Personality lets you get Charisma to Will saves.


Grailknight wrote:
Steadfast Personality lets you get Charisma to Will saves.

Steadfast Personality works best with a 10 WIS. If you dump WIS you still take the penalty to WIS in addition to the bonus from CHA. But if you have a WIS bonus you don’t get to add that.


Not useful for THIS character, but that's bloody awesome.


Grailknight wrote:
Steadfast Personality lets you get Charisma to Will saves.

Only against mind-affecting, though, so you're on your own against curses, teleportation/planar stuff, and weird monster abilities.


Though it only applies to saves against mind-effecting effects.

EDIT: Ninjad!


It's still a great item for when it's needed.


Here's a general "X to Y"-guide, though I'm not sure how up-to-date it is.


Yeah, I've got that, but I posted here when I started finding general stat swaps, feats and traits, that didn't appear on the list.

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