Wierd Question I Was Asked About VMC


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You can give up half you feats to gain VMC for something like a sorcerer bloodline. Can you give up the other half for another VMC say for inquisitor goodies?

Can't imagine it being all that powerful, but a friend wanted to know if it was possible.


1) No.

2) But VMC are part of Unchained's alternate "if your GM wants to" rules, so you can if your GM will let you. It sounds like a pretty awful idea, though.


No, unless your GM creates a house rule; the rules for VMC list the specific levels at which you give up your feats, with no allowance for doing so at other levels.


Plausible Pseudonym wrote:

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2) But VMC are part of Unchained's alternate "if your GM wants to" rules, so you can if your GM will let you. It sounds like a pretty awful idea, though.

I would probably be the GM, so I guess I'd be ok with it if I saw the build before hand.

The only possibilities I can see are:
Fighter - can make a good 2HW fighter with just the bonus feats.
Some of the full casters especially if a buffing focus since your DC's and most of the meta-magics are not really needed.


There's a pdf you can buy here on paizo(I forget the name) that allows for variant prestige classing. When combined with VMC the only feat you get from normal(not class bonus feats like fighter or bloodline feats) progression is the 1st level feat.


^okay, now you've gotten me curious -- I want to know about Variant Prestige Classing, since I have been toying with the idea myself. Any idea of what text to search for to find this?


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It's the Genius Guide to Variant Multiclassing.

Warning: opinion incoming

It's not a great text. Some of the options just don't make sense at all (eg the Eldritch Knight VMC gives you extra casting progression, despite not costing you anything but feats). There's a lot of bad copy/paste errors that should've been fixed, like the wizard advanced VMC option uses Druid instead of Wizard in several places. Just overall doesn't seem like a lot of work went into it.


Revolving Door Alternate wrote:

You can give up half you feats to gain VMC for something like a sorcerer bloodline. Can you give up the other half for another VMC say for inquisitor goodies?

Can't imagine it being all that powerful, but a friend wanted to know if it was possible.

If they are interested in taking a Sorcerer Bloodline as one of the VMC classes you can just have them use the Eldritch Heritage line with their remaining 5 Feats.

Tell your guy to take Inquisitor VMC and invest in the Eldritch Heritage line for Sorcerer Bloodline abilities. Don't dump Charisma.


You can't give up the other half of your feats because VMC requires you to trade specific feats. If you did trade out the other half, you'd be getting things two levels earlier than the regular VMC.


^Or 2 levels delayed, if you started the other VMC at 5th level (this would push the 5th part of the 2nd VMC to 21st level).


QuidEst wrote:
You can't give up the other half of your feats because VMC requires you to trade specific feats. If you did trade out the other half, you'd be getting things two levels earlier than the regular VMC.

I wouldn't give him powers any earlier, just giving up the rest of the feats to get 2 sets of VMC at the same levels as stated.

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Shadowlord wrote:

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If they are interested in taking a Sorcerer Bloodline as one of the VMC classes you can just have them use the Eldritch Heritage line with their remaining 5 Feats....

Ok, sorc bloodline was a bad example since there is a better way to get it. Let's say he wanted something like the oracle tongues curse or the inquisitor judgement ability.

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Since I would probably be the GM for this conglomeration, can anyone imagine any way that this could possibly be too good and overshadow the rest of the table? Personally I can't. The best I could see him doing would be giving some wierd abilities and/or immunities to a full buff caster. But since buff casters by their very nature never overshadow anyone, I can't see that being a problem.

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