Threefold aspect


Rules Questions


Hi,
I am playing a young dragon PC with 8 class levels in witch.
Now, my level eight patron spell is threefold aspect:

prd wrote:


Threefold aspect
School transmutation; Level druid 5, witch 4
Target you
Duration 24 hours (D)
Threefold aspect allows you to shift your appearance between your natural age and three idealized age categories: young adult (youth/maiden), adulthood (father/mother), or elderly (elder/crone). In each case, your appearance is your own at the appropriate age, rather than that of a new individual.

You may change between these three aspects or your actual age as a standard action. As the young adult, you gain a +2 enhancement bonus to Dexterity and Constitution, but suffer a –2 penalty to Wisdom. In the adult aspect, you gain a +2 enhancement bonus to Wisdom and Intelligence, but take a –2 penalty to Dexterity. As the elderly aspect, you gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Wisdom and Intelligence, but take a –2 penalty to Strength and Dexterity. As enhancement bonuses, these stack with any bonuses or penalties you may have from your actual age (which are untyped bonuses)—the bonuses granted by this spell represent your idealized form in this threefold aspect rather than simply duplicating your ability scores at any one particular age.

True seeing reveals your natural appearance overlaid with that your aspect, recognizing both as part of your true self. Individuals who study you closely and have interacted with you at another apparent age recognize a resemblance (as though family) with a successful DC 20 Perception check.

Threefold aspect does not alter your clothing or equipment, and does not heal any deformity or injury unrelated to age.

Now, how would this spell work on my dragon? Could I use it to shift to the elderly aspect and thus temporarily become an elder dragon?

Thanks in advance,
Kroisos

Silver Crusade

I wouldn't think so, you're not really getting any of the bonuses associated with aging, though you appear to.


Val'bryn2 wrote:
I wouldn't think so, you're not really getting any of the bonuses associated with aging, though you appear to.

I'm not so sure about that. After all, the spell clearly mentions that your Dex, Wis, and Int change. That - to me - implies that your age really changes, not just your looks.

So why treat it differently for a dragon? Why wouldn't they suffer the effects of their temporary new age?

Kroisos.

Silver Crusade

Because 1) this spell wasn't meant for dragons in mind and 2) the bonuses granted are completely different than normal aging bonuses and penalties.

Threefold Aspect wrote:
As enhancement bonuses, these stack with any bonuses or penalties you may have from your actual age (which are untyped bonuses)—the bonuses granted by this spell represent your idealized form in this threefold aspect rather than simply duplicating your ability scores at any one particular age.
Threefold Aspect wrote:
True seeing reveals your natural appearance overlaid with that your aspect, recognizing both as part of your true self.

You are not actually aging. You gain nothing else than what bonuses the spell says you get.


Rysky wrote:
You are not actually aging. You gain nothing else than what bonuses the spell says you get.

Actually, that does seem logical. After all, if you're playing a young adult character, and change into a young adult character, you would still get the bonuses, even if you're essentially not changing at all.

Regards,
Kroisos.

Silver Crusade

Kroisos wrote:
Rysky wrote:
You are not actually aging. You gain nothing else than what bonuses the spell says you get.

Actually, that does seem logical. After all, if you're playing a young adult character, and change into a young adult character, you would still get the bonuses, even if you're essentially not changing at all.

Regards,
Kroisos.

Correct.


Spells only do what they say they do, and this spell definitely wasn't designed with dragons in mind.

You only get the specific stat changes listed, nothing else occurs. So no becoming an elder dragon.

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