Paladin of Pharasma can it be a thing?


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So paladins of pharasma... i know it's probably been posted about before but all the posts regarding the subject are at this point 6 years old. all i've seen basically say not in PFS, this isn't for pfs however.

So yea can a paladin of Pharasma be a thing? I would go cleric, but i've been told those are boring and i figure things may have been added or changed . it's not really for any game, just a question

Silver Crusade

Not really. You have to be within one step of your deity's alignment. For a paladin, you are limited to deities who are Lawful Good, Neutral Good, or Lawful Neutral. Pharasma, as Neutral, isn't a valid choice.


Would an Inquisitor or Warpriest work for you?


Warpriest might actually, i honestly just want to do a class i haven't done before. Warpriest happens to be on that list. See the thing with the character concept is she is still LG just happens to follow Pharasma


No. You can, however, be an Antipaladin who regularly works for high-ranking psychopomps for personal gain.

Silver Crusade

It's a bit of a stretch. I'ld say you could follow her religion, but actually gain your power from some other source.


Paladins are, unlike the Cleric, Inquisitor, or Warpriest, not tied specifically to a deity of choice. The Paladin is beholden to uphold the Paladin's oath, which may or may not line up with the beliefs of certain Gods/goddesses. If you want to follow Asmodeous' ideals, you can... but your paladinhood ain't long for this world.

Edit: Likewise, the beliefs of Iomedae, or Sarenrae align very well with the paladins oath, thus, most paladins follow a Good deity.

Pharasma? Maybe. You can play a NG Cleric of hers after all, devoted to ridding the world of the threat of malicious undead, not unlike what many Paladins would do.


Unfortunately, this sounds like something that you will have to get your GM to houserule for you. By the rules, you would still have the same alignment restrictions. I vaguely remember an archetype, I think for a martial class, that has a lot looser alignment restrictions.


Ammon Knight of Ragathiel wrote:
Warpriest might actually, i honestly just want to do a class i haven't done before. Warpriest happens to be on that list. See the thing with the character concept is she is still LG just happens to follow Pharasma

LG tends to not make for a very good devotee of Pharasma. Sure, she's against undead, but she really doesn't care about people's suffering or about any sort of fairness in life. She's just there to make sure you're born, you die, and your soul doesn't get eaten (daemons), have a high-pressure deathbed conversion (angels), or something along those lines. There's no reason for her to be granting Smite Evil- if you want to run around and hate people just because they're murderers, that's on you, but she doesn't have a reason to help. She already knew who was going to get murdered.


thinking about it LN could work as well, i'm still trying to figure this character out. this is a fresh thought for a character so i'm still working on it


QuidEst wrote:
Ammon Knight of Ragathiel wrote:
Warpriest might actually, i honestly just want to do a class i haven't done before. Warpriest happens to be on that list. See the thing with the character concept is she is still LG just happens to follow Pharasma
LG tends to not make for a very good devotee of Pharasma. Sure, she's against undead, but she really doesn't care about people's suffering or about any sort of fairness in life. She's just there to make sure you're born, you die, and your soul doesn't get eaten (daemons), have a high-pressure deathbed conversion (angels), or something along those lines. There's no reason for her to be granting Smite Evil- if you want to run around and hate people just because they're murderers, that's on you, but she doesn't have a reason to help. She already knew who was going to get murdered.
Paladin description wrote wrote:

Through a select, worthy few shines the power of the divine. Called paladins, these noble souls dedicate their swords and lives to the battle against evil. Knights, crusaders, and law-bringers, paladins seek not just to spread divine justice but to embody the teachings of the virtuous deities they serve. In pursuit of their lofty goals, they adhere to ironclad laws of morality and discipline. As reward for their righteousness, these holy champions are blessed with boons to aid them in their quests: powers to banish evil, heal the innocent, and inspire the faithful. Although their convictions might lead them into conflict with the very souls they would save, paladins weather endless challenges of faith and dark temptations, risking their lives to do right and fighting to bring about a brighter future.

Role: Paladins serve as beacons for their allies within the chaos of battle. While deadly opponents of evil, they can also empower goodly souls to aid in their crusades. Their magic and martial skills also make them well suited to defending others and blessing the fallen with the strength to continue fighting.

Paladins don't get their powers from a deity, if you want, you can have a specific paladin work that way, but the default is god-agnostic. A Paladin can venerate Pharasma for her work against undead, comfort dying old grandma's at their deathbeds, build hospitals, etc... plenty of wiggle room.

You could build a Wizard who's studies revolve around using the power of Necromancy against evil necromancers, turning their creations against them, then destroying them. Still LG. Still following Big P. But the wizard isn't any more mechanically tied to her than the hypothetical Paladin.


the Grey Paladin Architype from ultimate Intrigue loosens up the alignment restrictions for paladins if you are rally invested in a paladin of pharasma


as said the character is really just a thought bubble in my head right now, Lawful good was more an assumption on my part combine with a desire to make this character some kind of divine warrior that wasn't a cleric. Mostly because i hear that clerics are kind of boring to play and i want to kind of go more martial with this character.

so nothing is really set with the exception of a few things.

gets some power Pharasma or some kind of diety of death.

is kind if a bit eerily quiet. Not sure if kind automatically makes one good or not.

But yeaa the alignment is still something i'm figuring out in order to do that i need to work on the character more


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Anubis, Old Osirion god of burial, and the dead is Lawful Neutral (and hence might have Paladins) and can be found in Mummy's Mask, Empty Graves (AP #80)


Yes, you can.

Any paladin can worship Pharasma. Val'bryn2, Nohwear, and Quid Est are completely incorrect.

The only characters that have to be within one step of their deity's alignment are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests. That's it. If you're a commoner or fighter or druid or oracle or paladin, such a rule simply does not exist.

PFS has houserules to the contrary. But as the OP specifically stated, we're not talking about PFS in any way, shape, or form.

The paladin code provides a few additional restrictions, like the "no evil friends or associates" clause. But you're perfectly fine worshiping a true neutral deity, or a chaotic good deity, or a chaotic neutral deity, or no deity at all, for the simple reason that there's nothing anywhere in the rules suggesting you couldn't.


wait anubis exists in pathfinder??

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Ammon Knight of Ragathiel wrote:
wait anubis exists in pathfinder??

Yyyup! In fact, according to Pathfinder lore, they got their start on Golarion, and their worship spread to Earth because Egypt was founded by Osiriani planar travelers who got stuck there.

Heck, you could go one further and play a Paladin of Osiris, if you wanted. He's straight-up Lawful Good and so he'd be even MORE likely to have paladins than Anubis!


F%*+ing A right, notice the super cool avatar. :-)

I highly recommend picking up Empty Graves, has a sizable Egyptian pantheon (20 deities with domains and everything. :-)


I have played a Paladin of Pharasma in a Carrion Crown game for some time. Unless your DM requires you to be within one step of your deity's alignment (which is absurd, IMO, since, unlike Clerics, Paladins don't require deities at all) then all you need is a series of guidelines for your behavior and knightly order.

If you are interested, check out my PC here - http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=129595. Note that he is going to be an Oradin and I made some slightly sub-optimal choices getting there, but the Pharasmic Paladin Oath I wrote (found at the bottom of the Character Sheet) covers many of her aspects deliberately.

Let us know if you get to play one and how it goes!


Avoron wrote:

Yes, you can.

Any paladin can worship Pharasma. Val'bryn2, Nohwear, and Quid Est are completely incorrect.

From the Gray Paladin archetype:

Quote:
Alignment: A gray paladin can be lawful good, lawful neutral, or neutral good, though she must still follow a lawful good, neutral good, or lawful neutral deity.


Yeah, though the rules don't state it clearly many of the rules are written with the assumption that if a paladin does chose a deity they must be within 1 step of lawful good.

The rules for the Gray Paladin simply reinforce this.


That is kind of a bummer. I've been considering this myself.


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its not much of an issue anymore i took a liking to the anubis thing. i like it more knowing what his in game fluff is. apprently he works woth Pharasma .


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