Elemental Ascetic unarmed strike damage


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Hey everybody, I have a question about the EA's unarmed strike damage... namely, what is it?

I can't seem to find any mention of what it is. Is it just a 1d3 like a normal unarmed strike or do they get the scaling damage like a monk? If someone could point me in the direction of where to find the answer, that would be awesome.

Thanks in advance!


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1d3 if Medium.
But you add Kinetic Fist damage: 1d6/3 levels (minimum 1d6). But it says no additional modifiers like Con mod (still add Str like normal).

The class is better for a multiclass that trades away Flurry of blows.

Scarab Sages

Yes, it's only 1d3. With the Kinetic Fist damage it says relevant with a monk of equal level, and you can increase it with Ascetic Style or Monastic Legacy.


Cool, thanks guys. I appreciate the responses.


Doesn't the Kinetic Fist just add to your Kinetic Blast damage, essentially making it a close attack?

1st level Elemental Ascetic:

1d6+1 (Kinetic Blast) PLUS 1d6 (Kinetic Fist) = 2d6+1, only usable as a close, unarmed strike.

As I understand them, infusions, such as Kinetic Fist "change the way kineticists use their kinetic blasts." So, when Kinetic Fist reads that it deals "additional" damage, why wouldn't it be in addition to the regular damage of Kinetic Blast?


no, kinetic fist is changing it to be a rider on your IUS, so you don't get the any damage from your blast. The DEVs have confirmed this.
Kinetic fist only adds 1d6 for many levels.

Scarab Sages

That said, it would make sense for an EA kineticist to take ascetic style(fist). It's a good way to increase fist base damage while still being able to use your kinetic fist talent.


Using the variant multiclass rules for monk works well with elemental ascetic. Scaling damage for your unarmed attack and ki pool at later levels.


Thanks for your answers, folks. Since we were both still pretty confused and frustrated by the Elemental Ascetic, I just allowed the player in my campaign to ret-con his character. He is now just multi-classing the Unchained Monk and a Kineticist. Everything is all very straightforward now.

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