Bear companion size


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Just started making a druid and was looking at types of companions and I got kind of confused at the Bear's size.

It starts small and upgrades to medium at 7.

From a thematic perspective that seems really weird that a bear is the same size as say, a badger. Doubly so when you look at the Bestiary and see there are no small bears and three of the four bears are large size.

From a mechanical perspective I don't see any real balancing factor either, given that the bear has fairly comparable stats to the big cat.

So what am I missing here?


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The fact that a one hundred pound black bear can throw a two hundred pound human around like a rag doll? Bears are crazy strong.

Oh, wait, game reasons... uh... Riding your bear into battle is too good? *crickets*


nothing. It's just like that.

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It's a design oversight that's gone uncorrected for years now.

Hold out hope for Bestiary 5!


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isn't Bestiary 5 already out?

Liberty's Edge

Uh, make that Bestiary 6!


I'm really feeling Bestiary 12. I'm pretty sure it'll have the big bear animal companion!


It's especially ridiculous since wolf companions start at medium and grow to large.


Yeah, this has been an issue for a while. There was even a joke that the designers were clearly prejudiced agaisnt bears :P . So far the only way to get a riding bear is through a beast rider cavalier.

I find it ridiculous that you need to jump through hoops to ride a bear when a wolf or a lion mount is pretty easy to get, tbh. The bestiary has plenty of large bears, you just cannot get them as animal companions. This may make sense for rocs, but for bears... eh, right now we are just forced to homebrew or adapt other animals.


For a homebrew it should be easy to just either reskin another AC and call it a bear or use the advancement rules from, say wolf, and use it on the starting statistics of the bear AC.

In PFS you're stuck with the rules as is, just pick another AC or role with the medium size.
Besides: humans are also medium sized in PF...

Ruyan.


Presumably, bear companions are Black Bears, which only grow to about 250 lbs and about 4' to 5' in length, nose to tail.

As opposed to Kodiak Bears which grown up to 1500 lbs and 8' in length.


So it would seem, but that´s still a fair bit more than a wolf. Supposedly, the biggest wolf ever shot (and measured) was under 200 pounds.


beast master cavalier can get a large bear


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Saldiven wrote:

Presumably, bear companions are Black Bears, which only grow to about 250 lbs and about 4' to 5' in length, nose to tail.

As opposed to Kodiak Bears which grown up to 1500 lbs and 8' in length.

Meanwhile, horse-sized wolves, bats and vultures big enough for a human to ride, snapping turtles larger than a human, and man-sized weasels are apparently something any schmuck can pick up...

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