getting naked, becoming a water elemental & getting dressed

[Heinrich Hearts]

From what I understand elemental body 1(4th level sorcerer spell) prohibits me from having access to my gear and weapons and items and such.

I am sure I could drop my things like weapons, scroll case, backpack, etc. & then cast elemental body 1. I am wanting to know if I could then pick up all my things in the elemental body form. If I can, then how long would this take?

I plan to try this in society.

[Jeff Morse]

depends on how much you have. figure a move to pick up and standard to put on. do you need everything? maybe just prepare a few things. the spell wont last a long time.
also a good question, what happens to that stuff when i change back?

[Heinrich Hearts]

Jeff Morse wrote:

depends on how much you have. figure a move to pick up and standard to put on. do you need everything? maybe just prepare a few things. the spell wont last a long time.

also a good question, what happens to that stuff when i change back?

I want my scroll case and my masterwork gauntlet of cold iron. I may also want a wand or 2. I'm thinking if these things are in a sack it may seem more reasonable to drop and pick up.

I like to apply a poison to a weapon before battle to add some extra fun. My masterwork gauntlet of cold iron would more than likely have some poison applied to it so I'm wondering if I would need to roll for contracting the poison with respect to the other roll I would have to take to applying the poison.

[Imbicatus]

Just get a Polymorphic Pouch. Much easier than dropping a bag.

[Pizza Lord]

You would figure a move action to pick up each item and another move action to put the item on. Armor has its own time to put on. So, as figured, it's going to depend on how many things you have laying around to pick up. Obviously keeping things in a sack or a backpack will let you pick them all up at the same time.

If you are wearing an item and have an item melded into your form when you change back, the worn item gets dropped into your square. For instance, if your armor melded into your form and you then put on different armor, when you change back to your normal form you are wearing what you had on before you changed and the other item drops into a nearby space.

For your poisoned gauntlets, you would check for poisoning when you apply it, then you probably only need to check when you actually attack with it (typically it's when you roll a 1), but unlike a 'normal' weapon, a gauntlet is basically what you're using to handle things (unless you specifically use your other hand) so a GM is quite within his rights to call for a check if you say pick up some food and eat it (assuming the poison is contact or ingestion), or that it's rubbed off it too much time has passed and you've been looting bodies or digging through sacks of loot.

[DM Livgin]

My druid had exotic saddlebags until he could afford the polymorphic pouch for that very reason. A ten foot dire ape wielding a large shillelagh gives people a pause.

[thistledown]

But your clothes will get wet!

Yeah, it works fine. I had exotic pack or riding saddles for my most common forms. Polymorphic pouch is nice, but I didn't bother for quite a while. But I was using wild shape with long durations - not sure about a spell to do it.

And yes, elementals can wield weapons just fine. There is a scenario where you've got armed fire elementals (the weapons have protection against heat)

[Heinrich Hearts]

Here is another issue that I may have, my masterwork gauntlet of cold iron is made for a M sized creature and elemental body 1 would turn me into a small water elemental. Small creatures can wield M sized weapons correct?

[DM Livgin]

-2 penalty to hit for an inappropriately sized weapon. And it becomes one handed instead of light.

[The Sword]

Won't water damage your scrolls? I mean, there's a reason you keep them in a case, right?

[LittleMissNaga]

The Sword wrote:

Won't water damage your scrolls? I mean, there's a reason you keep them in a case, right?

I guess it would depend what your scrolls are made of. Normal paper might have problems, but thicker paper could survive it--I think--and something like an animal-skin scroll would definitely be fine. If you've got lots of carrying capacity, craft your scrolls in the form of stone tablets.

Ink could still be a problem, for scrolls that use it. I wonder if magic-scroll-writing ink would run when wet.

[Devilkiller]

I hold the extremely unpopular opinion that your gear melds into your new form partially because the designers don't really want you to use it on top of whatever bonuses you gain from being in the new form. The high price of Wild armor helps convince me that this is likely true. The Polymoprhic Pouch Imbicatus mentioned also seems like a magic item specifically for bypassing such limitations.

I think it would be interesting to get some feedback from the developers like, "Yep, we figure the bonuses from X Shape are pretty much good enough on their own" or "Devilkiller has it all wrong. Wildshaping and then donning your equipment is 100% A-OK. We just don't want people to have the flexibility of shifting in between forms during combat and still being fully equipped"

I suppose that you "should" be able to drop the gear, polymorph, and then pick it up again in PFS since I don't see any RAW prohibiting it. I wouldn't be shocked if you ran into table variation, but in general it should probably work.

[Val'bryn2]

It works because there's nothing in the rules against it, really. After all, how is dropping and picking up a +1 sword as a dire ape any different than getting it passed to you by your ally?

[The Sword]

Well would the scrolls work if you took fire elemental form? Probably not. There is a big difference between a dire ape and an elemental.

Whenever you try and do something not conceived in the rules to get an advantage expect table variation.

I would rule that paper and ink based scrolls couldn't be used in water or fire elemental form.

[DM Livgin]

Val'bryn2 wrote:

It works because there's nothing in the rules against it, really. After all, how is dropping and picking up a +1 sword as a dire ape any different than getting it passed to you by your ally?

Please, it is no puny +1 sword, it is a +1 club with 4d6 base damage and 10 foot reach. (jk, I just like talking about my big stick).

[Heinrich Hearts]

The Sword wrote:

Well would the scrolls work if you took fire elemental form? Probably not. There is a big difference between a dire ape and an elemental.

Whenever you try and do something not conceived in the rules to get an advantage expect table variation.

I would rule that paper and ink based scrolls couldn't be used in water or fire elemental form.

Fire Elementals can speak and do hand movements. If you are worried the scrolls would be damaged by my water hands I would remind you I would have on my gauntlet.