Darkwood shield Armor Check penalty reduction question


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Does the -2 AC penalty reduction shields get for being made of darkwood include the reduction from being masterwork or is it separate and needs to be calculated together? I'm guessing it's the former but it's not easy to find an example in print that answers one way or the other on this.

Any answers with sources would be greatly appreciated.


I don't believe it is spelt out specifically anywhere, and I'm not aware of a darkwood tower shield being out there somewhere to use as a comparison,but the consensus when I asked a similar question about mithral is that the ACP for masterwork is already factored in.

That said, the wording on darkwood might be sufficiently different from that of mithral in that "2 less than an 'ordinary' shield". I'd say that a masterwork shield is not ordinary.

Shadow Lodge

dragonhunterq wrote:

I don't believe it is spelt out specifically anywhere, and I'm not aware of a darkwood tower shield being out there somewhere to use as a comparison,but the consensus when I asked a similar question about mithral is that the ACP for masterwork is already factored in.

That said, the wording on darkwood might be sufficiently different from that of mithral in that "2 less than an 'ordinary' shield". I'd say that a masterwork shield is not ordinary.

Yeah that's what I figured. That said I do wish the wording was a bit clearer about whether certain reductions are based on materials or on the masterwork quality of the work.

Liberty's Edge

PRD wrote:

Darkwood: This rare magic wood is as hard as normal wood but very light. Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item and weighs only half as much as a normal wooden item of that type. Items not normally made of wood or only partially of wood (such as a battleaxe or a mace) either cannot be made from darkwood or do not gain any special benefit from being made of darkwood. The armor check penalty of a darkwood shield is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type. To determine the price of a darkwood item, use the original weight but add 10 gp per pound to the price of a masterwork version of that item.

Darkwood has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 5.

As it say: "Any wooden item .... made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item" and "The armor check penalty of a darkwood shield is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type. " I get "a wooden shield made of darkwood is masterwork and its armor check penalty is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type." For me that mean that the masterwork armor check bonus is already factored in.


Seems factored in.

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