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It wouldn't surprise me to see many of the armors in Starfinder to be treated to protect against laser damage as well as kinetic damage, with maybe a give/take between them. I could see higher base damage for laser weapons but many armors simply subtracting some of the base damage kind of like Energy Resistance but for lasers. An enemy may have a lot of laser resistance but not much kinetic resistance. This means that weapons that have more physical "oomph" to them such as arrows fired from futuristic bows may very well be advantageous to use over laser weaponry in some situations.
A gravitic rail accelerator that happens to be bow-shaped?I take it you don't quite see the slight problem with that? You do know how rail accelerators work?
I know how a magnetic rail accelerator works. What shape is a gravitic one? Maybe it needs to be tall rather than long for... science fantasy reasons.
It wouldn't surprise me to see many of the armors in Starfinder to be treated to protect against laser damage as well as kinetic damage, with maybe a give/take between them. I could see higher base damage for laser weapons but many armors simply subtracting some of the base damage kind of like Energy Resistance but for lasers. An enemy may have a lot of laser resistance but not much kinetic resistance. This means that weapons that have more physical "oomph" to them such as arrows fired from futuristic bows may very well be advantageous to use over laser weaponry in some situations.
You should pop over and read my About Armor thread. We have been talking about that (among other things )
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I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:
*Imagines someone being hit in the chest with a penis.*
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*Imagines someone being hit in the chest with a penis.*I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:
looks like he (sunglasses) got shafted. yeeeaaaaaah
You can't really have an invisible laser that does more than blind people. Laser stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation, which mean to be powerful enough to burn someone almost instantly, it needs to be visible.Laser guns should be both silent and have invisible projectiles tbh.Something like Hawkeye's setup from the MCU would also be viable I think.
There's also another reason to use bows/crossbows in lieu of guns. They're much quieter, allowing for easier stealth kills.
I am pretty sure this laser would do more than blind if applied to an opponent...
A bow, in the vacuum of space, could deliver an INCREDIBLE amount of force. With zero wind resistance, and no gravity to counter act, it'd be a fairly simple to wield weapon as well. Plus, grappling hook bolts.
It might require different proficiency, though. The ballistics of aiming would be fundamentally different.
Now fire a bow in a rotating reference frame such as a space station ring.
A bow, in the vacuum of space, could deliver an INCREDIBLE amount of force. With zero wind resistance, and no gravity to counter act, it'd be a fairly simple to wield weapon as well. Plus, grappling hook bolts.It might require different proficiency, though. The ballistics of aiming would be fundamentally different.
Wouldn't it be actually easier since all you have to do is aim straight without needing to adjust for distance?
Wouldn't it be actually easier since all you have to do is aim straight without needing to adjust for distance?A bow, in the vacuum of space, could deliver an INCREDIBLE amount of force. With zero wind resistance, and no gravity to counter act, it'd be a fairly simple to wield weapon as well. Plus, grappling hook bolts.It might require different proficiency, though. The ballistics of aiming would be fundamentally different.
I'd probably allow thrown and projectile weapons a doubled range increment or somesuch in space. Relative velocity to the target and the target's maneuverability are still an issue.
Also, as has been pointed out, a bow in a vacuum won't actually be much more powerful (you will gain a bit from the lack of air resistance against the limbs, and you won't lose any for air resistance or friction against the arrow, but I'd be really surprised if you got more than a 5% increase). Your also going to lose accuracy with a traditional bow because your effectively shooting arrows without fletching.
Now, a center-shot design, firing ridged arrows from a whisker-bisquit might work well.
I might have over thought this
Now fire a bow in a rotating frame of reference such as a space station ring.
You'd have to worry about the Coriolis Effect if you were firing an arrow or throwing an object parallel to the axis of rotation, but that would probably only be a concern in a really big environment like an O'Neill Cylinder. Which is the whole point of inventing laser arrows in the first place! Anyhow, given that Starfinder is described as science fantasy, I'm expecting a lot more grave plates than centrifugal force.
I'm just imagining a bow laser. Completely pointless in the sense of having it in the shape of a bow. Completely awesome like Chewbaca's bowcaster.
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I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:
5 gp on the arrow.
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looks like he (sunglasses) got shafted. yeeeaaaaaah*Imagines someone being hit in the chest with a penis.*I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:
what have I done...
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The biggest advantage is that a bow makes even less noise of a silenced gunBecause in space no one can hear you loose.
... wait. How would this be an advantage in space?
Because a space setting doesn't imply that all the fight happen in the vacuum.
The party can be on the surface of a planet exploring some cave or installation, being in a space station or boarding a really large ship.
In all the cases that aren't "fighting floating in space" if you are going stealthy a bow can be handy. In the real world guns are used anyway because they're easier to learn, carry and visually less conspicuous, but in the noise department a slinced gun make a sound like a door slamming despite what movies tell
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I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:
I'm not volunteering to act as a Whedon-shaped ballistic gel target, but I am very interested in watching this new Freehold-hosted version of Mythbusters.
what have I done...*Imagines someone being hit in the chest with a penis.*looks like he (sunglasses) got shafted. yeeeaaaaaah
Hmmm. Yep, still wanna watch it.
I fully invite you to take a shaft to the chest, and then a bullet to the chest, and tell me which one hurts more.Your bow, made from the latest composite materials, launches an arrow with flexible foam fletching, a graphite shaft... and an explosive-tipped arrowhead.And does the same damage as a medieval archer of your level because of balance reasons? D:I'm not volunteering to act as a Whedon-shaped ballistic gel target, but I am very interested in watching this new Freehold-hosted version of Mythbusters.
Hmmm. Yep, still wanna watch it.what have I done...*Imagines someone being hit in the chest with a penis.*looks like he (sunglasses) got shafted. yeeeaaaaaah
We just call it Whedonbusters now.
Wouldn't it be actually easier since all you have to do is aim straight without needing to adjust for distance?A bow, in the vacuum of space, could deliver an INCREDIBLE amount of force. With zero wind resistance, and no gravity to counter act, it'd be a fairly simple to wield weapon as well. Plus, grappling hook bolts.It might require different proficiency, though. The ballistics of aiming would be fundamentally different.
Yes, but archers generally are trained to adjust their aim for distance, gravity, etc., reflexively. They would have to de-conditon themselves from doing that (if they were trained in non-zero-G conditions) and develop two sets of firing routines.
I'm not saying firing a bow in zero-G would be easy, but it would much, much less destabilizing than firing an explosive projectile. I feel like this conversation would benefit from the inclusion of atlatls and slingshots in space.
I'm not volunteering to act as a Whedon-shaped ballistic gel target, but I am very interested in watching this new Freehold-hosted version of Mythbusters.We just call it Whedonbusters now.
OK, what are you going to do from the third episode on? Sure, in the first episode, you debunk the heresy of Whedonism... and then blow him up. Episode two, you do the same to the Cult of Alton... and then blow him up. Starting with episode three, aren't you out of people to debunk and then blow up?