Proposed Rule Change for Season 8: Unlimited GM Credits


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


How about instead of 'real' kittens they were kittens on a chronicle that you could have for your character? Or puppies, or snakes, or whatever have you?

ie 'vanity' pets you can get from GMing 'non-chron-credits'. Does two things... buys into the whole Poke-thingie AND drags in all the completists!

I can't stop GMing yet, I don't have the Limited Edition Comptosaur!

That is *not* intended as an insult, honest, was trying to come up with a witty name for special vanity pets and attempted homage to one of the leads...

This, while it wouldn't help solve any issues I have mentioned, (and basically anything but a cat or kitten), would actually be a pretty cool DM reward Id be interested in. Even if it does nothing mechanically, Id like for some of my characters who can not otherwise to get a pet or psuedo familiar.

One of my Clerics would love a Lantern Archon pet, even if it was literally just a little floating bubble of light with no stats.

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One thing that I would like to pop into the Drogon-Beckett debate and say--this thread isn't about player replays, it's about GM reruns.

I understand the belief that players should slowly transition into GMs and respect that. I also understand the concern that old GMs might prevent new GMs from rising up and trying their hand at the GM game. If you guys come from lodges with tons of players where this is a real concern for you, then awesome. Tell us more about that. But before you do, my site is clearly different from yours. I have maybe a dozen regular games, GMs and players included. Of that dozen, maybe four of them (myself inclded regularly GMs). This whole "GM Monoply" scenario isn't something I ever experience, and as VA it's my job to make sure that everyone get to play, whether that's as a player or as a GM. If someone wants to GM, they tell me, they get scheduled, they game.

I don't mean to imply that a solution to the GM problem needs to cater to me and not to you, but taking the time to acknowledge that not all lodges and sites are the same is something that we all need to do before we can move forward with this. Not all of your problems are the same as my problems. My problems aren't the same as yours. But still the Organized Play rules need to be able to support us both, regardless of how many fewer stars or years of experience I have.

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In this case, and every thread on the subject Ive encountered so far, I tend to see the same basic arguements made, particularly that it will kill the game. But, beyond that, when I ask for reasons why, evidence backing things up, statistics, and the like the only thing I seem to get is along the lines of "Ive seen it before" or "it may lead to X or might open the door to Y".

I dont really consider that evidence, nor a strong arguement when there is enough and significant differences between PFS and other unnamed Organized Play systems, as PFS is already designed to handle many of the potential downsides or problems as is, and the others, IF they even hapened, are self correcting ones.

I've never seen anything like a statistical analysis on game play in any organized play campaign, much less analysis on more than one to allow comparison. I understand that you don't find anecdotal evidence compelling, but that's the only evidence available. I've seen the same issues caused by unlimited replays in past campaigns that others have mentioned and that's enough for me to oppose unlimited replays. Your experiences were different and so you don't. I don't think there is much room for a meeting of the minds on this one, although I do have one more anecdotal item to report.

At my gaming location, there was a major boost in D&D 5e play that happened over the last year. Pathfinder went from two to three tables on Thursday nights down to one table and D&D 5e went from one up to three (we're also running Pathfinder on Sundays and Wednesday nights, so there are still three to four total tables per week). A couple of Pathfinder players moved over and one of them cited unlimited replays as one reason he switched. After a year of this, a number of the 5e players have said that they've soured on playing the same scenarios again and again and focusing only on the combats and a couple of them have come over to Pathfinder. The lesson I take away from this is that unlimited replays look good at first blush, but cause issues over time. Of course, your mileage may vary.

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
I also understand the concern that old GMs might prevent new GMs from rising up and trying their hand at the GM game

It's my experience (over the course of 5 years of trying to run weekly events in Kentucky) that isn't an issue. With the clear exception of GenCon and other large conventions, all old GM's beg for new GM's to help make it so that they are not running all the games ran. I don't think GM replay actually fixes that issue. I don't know what would, certainly not something based on star's because to get to 1 star or 2 stars is a pretty daunting task for a "new" GM. Such that I find it not enticing to new GM's.

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The Fourth Horseman wrote:

I Propose that GM character credits become unlimited, so that GMs who'd like to get character credit for GMing a game are always able to do so, no matter what scenario they are asked to run, or plan on running.

I realize this has been brought up before, but I can't recall this ever being shot down by leadership.

Thanks for the time and consideration.

How about this. Slow Track credit and no boons? It gives the GM some incentive (1/2 xp, prestige, gold) while at the same time keeping out Boon Farming?

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James Risner wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
I also understand the concern that old GMs might prevent new GMs from rising up and trying their hand at the GM game
It's my experience (over the course of 5 years of trying to run weekly events in Kentucky) that isn't an issue. With the clear exception of GenCon and other large conventions, all old GM's beg for new GM's to help make it so that they are not running all the games ran. I don't think GM replay actually fixes that issue. I don't know what would, certainly not something based on star's because to get to 1 star or 2 stars is a pretty daunting task for a "new" GM. Such that I find it not enticing to new GM's.

I don't see that concern where I am either, but as a VA I go out of my way to make sure that everyone who wants an opportunity to GM can GM. I actually feel similarly about many of the issues people bring up. I'm like, "That doesn't happen at my store because I plan the schedule and make sure that overrunning scenarios / scenario monopolies / other exploitative behavior doesn't happen at my location." Sure, good VOs who keep up the spirit of Organized Play can't micromanage everything, but I feel like most of us take this stance and work to prevent most of the "what-if" situations already.

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


How about instead of 'real' kittens they were kittens on a chronicle that you could have for your character? Or puppies, or snakes, or whatever have you?

ie 'vanity' pets you can get from GMing 'non-chron-credits'. Does two things... buys into the whole Poke-thingie AND drags in all the completists!

I can't stop GMing yet, I don't have the Limited Edition Comptosaur!

That is *not* intended as an insult, honest, was trying to come up with a witty name for special vanity pets and attempted homage to one of the leads...

This, while it wouldn't help solve any issues I have mentioned, (and basically anything but a cat or kitten), would actually be a pretty cool DM reward Id be interested in. Even if it does nothing mechanically, Id like for some of my characters who can not otherwise to get a pet or psuedo familiar.

One of my Clerics would love a Lantern Archon pet, even if it was literally just a little floating bubble of light with no stats.

So... like cosmetics in MMO games? I'd be down with that, as long as hats are involved.

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Rei wrote:
DM Beckett wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


How about instead of 'real' kittens they were kittens on a chronicle that you could have for your character? Or puppies, or snakes, or whatever have you?

ie 'vanity' pets you can get from GMing 'non-chron-credits'. Does two things... buys into the whole Poke-thingie AND drags in all the completists!

I can't stop GMing yet, I don't have the Limited Edition Comptosaur!

That is *not* intended as an insult, honest, was trying to come up with a witty name for special vanity pets and attempted homage to one of the leads...

This, while it wouldn't help solve any issues I have mentioned, (and basically anything but a cat or kitten), would actually be a pretty cool DM reward Id be interested in. Even if it does nothing mechanically, Id like for some of my characters who can not otherwise to get a pet or psuedo familiar.

One of my Clerics would love a Lantern Archon pet, even if it was literally just a little floating bubble of light with no stats.

So... like cosmetics in MMO games? I'd be down with that, as long as hats are involved.

Cosmetics, retired vanity items available for purchase, non-combat mounts, vanity pets, titles... the possibilities are only limited by what would be Golarion-appropriate for the campaign (as designated by campaign leadership)

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
... vanity pets ...

KITTENS!!!

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Rei wrote:
So... like cosmetics in MMO games? I'd be down with that, as long as hats are involved.

That was my initial thought as well, though I've only rarely played MMOs, I have a little bit of experience with DDO because it's free.

But being able to have a Lantern Archon, Giant Fiendish Spider, Mini Clockwork Golem, Tiny Elemental, etc. . . just hanging out with you is pretty cool.

Back in 3.5 when I was introducing a lady into gaming for the first time, one of her favorite items I gave her once was a never ending vial of toenail polish that swapped colors 1/day.

Didn't do anything for her, though I'd occasionally give her a +2 on certain checks when the character showed off her toenails, but she loved playing around with it and RPing.

Obviously not everyone would like that sort of thing, but I think it would be cool. Going back to the pet idea, something simple it, whatever pet you choose, could do is possible have a 50/50 chance to grant an Aid Another Bonus on something like 2 skills.

Also, depending upon how it was handled, (issued out), it could also make for a really interesting incentive for DM's outside of Stars. For instance, maybe at 15 Tables reported you receive 1 pet/vanity/cosmetic of your choice, (limited with reasonable conditions such as it's not combat, must be something that's fairly common for it's type for objects, but can not replicate a magical item, so no flaming sword that is not actually a Magical Flaming Sword, but you could have a scimitar that's crafted to appear as if the blade is a lock of flame, and it must be a Tiny or smaller creature that would be wiling to or trained as a companion or familiar).

Maybe at 30 or 40 tables, something relatively easy to reach but not simple, you get a small upgrade to it, like adding an additional skill it can Aid Another for, or the item is considered a Masterwork Tool for a single Skill of choice.

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DM Beckett wrote:

Back in 3.5 when I was introducing a lady into gaming for the first time, one of her favorite items I gave her once was a never ending vial of toenail polish that swapped colors 1/day.

Didn't do anything for her, though I'd occasionally give her a +2 on certain checks when the character showed off her toenails, but she loved playing around with it and RPing.

Like how the best hex in existence is the Prehensile Hair hex, because it means you never have to shave your legs again. Or anywhere else.

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Paul Jackson wrote:
increased ability to override some GMs "interpretations" of the rules

Hey now, I'm not that bad! :)

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