Tiefling Barbarian Arms


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Me and my friends started a new game. One of my players became the new DM and he doesnt like my build. I would like to run it by the forums for legality and to see how it meshes with an archetype.

The build is a Tiefling Barbarian with the variant heritage to get Oni-Blooded (+2 Str, +2 Wis, and -2 Cha) as well as the variant ability:

16. You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

Using this I made a Barbarian with 20 Str (24 when raging) who is wielding an oversized greatsword to do 3d6 + 10dmg.

1. Is this fair?
2. Is this legal?
3. How does it mesh with the Titan Mauler archetype?

Is it fair for me to be using oversize weapons like this and can I use Huge weapons at higher levels?


Question 1 is solely your GM's call. Honestly, 'tiefling', 'Oni-blooded', and 'variant ability 16' are in narrower, narrower chances of being allowed. If your GM isn't allowing tieflings, different-blooded tieflings, or variant tieflings, you're out of luck.

That also takes care of question 2. I think it'd render Titan Mauler redundant, too. Remember, the REST of you isn't large.


Are you planning on dual wielding large Greatswords? Or using huge ones?


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Preferably using huge ones for the 1.5 Str bonus, but our DM gave me a second large greatsword so I might try some two weapon fighting.


Beldaru wrote:
Preferably using huge ones for the 1.5 Str bonus, but our DM gave me a second large greatsword so I might try some two weapon fighting.

If I remember right, you can't both do over sized and one hand a 2 handed weapon. They come from different separate abilities.

Plus, it is not a very good TWF build. You aren't using a light weapon in the offhand, so the penalties are -4, and the class has stat bonuses rather than static bonuses on every hit. Maybe better if you use unchained barbarian as the base though, but the -4 is still there. The only advantage twin great swords bring is 2d6 rahter than the 1d6 on most light weapons... and that is just 1d6 more. Hardly worth it.

EDIT- ah, but this uses different abilities. I was stuck on the titan mauler. Still, even if the deal is a bit sweeter, you aren't very good for TWF.


Qaianna wrote:

Question 1 is solely your GM's call. Honestly, 'tiefling', 'Oni-blooded', and 'variant ability 16' are in narrower, narrower chances of being allowed. If your GM isn't allowing tieflings, different-blooded tieflings, or variant tieflings, you're out of luck.

That also takes care of question 2. I think it'd render Titan Mauler redundant, too. Remember, the REST of you isn't large.

Tiefling or Oni-blooded really aren't an issue fairness/balance wise.

Variant ability is more in question- it does cost a feat and a feature so you pay a proper amount for it, but using a chart with options of various power always feels odd to me. Still, legal.

Titan Mauler, it certainly would *look* cool but it's not exactly the strongest archetype to begin with. I think the 'massive weapons' ability is made redundant (which, frankly, makes you a better Mauler than normal), but the other abilities come into play and work just fine. RAW, you can fairly easily make the argument that it lets you use Huge weapons (One ability says 'use large,' another 'one size larger'), but I'm also fairly sure a lot of Huge weapons will be bigger than you are so if the GM rules large-is-your-limit, I wouldn't argue too hard.


Beldaru wrote:

Me and my friends started a new game. One of my players became the new DM and he doesnt like my build. I would like to run it by the forums for legality and to see how it meshes with an archetype.

The build is a Tiefling Barbarian with the variant heritage to get Oni-Blooded (+2 Str, +2 Wis, and -2 Cha) as well as the variant ability:

16. You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.

Using this I made a Barbarian with 20 Str (24 when raging) who is wielding an oversized greatsword to do 3d6 + 10dmg.

1. Is this fair?
2. Is this legal?
3. How does it mesh with the Titan Mauler archetype?

Is it fair for me to be using oversize weapons like this and can I use Huge weapons at higher levels?

Having no penalty for using Large Weapon without penalty does not allow you to use Large Two Handed Weapon, as the rules states it, you can used large one-handed weapon with two hands like everybody but without penalties, no more no less (you can used a large bastard sword but not a large greatsword)


Yondu wrote:


Having no penalty for using Large Weapon without penalty does not allow you to use Large Two Handed Weapon, as the rules states it, you can used large one-handed weapon with two hands like everybody but without penalties, no more no less (you can used a large bastard sword but not a large greatsword)

It's worded like the Redcap ability which is a Small creature wielding a Medium scythe so you can use a Large greatsword, the problem comes in if because you can wield Large weapons like that if they are considered appropriately sized for you for Jotungrip.

Also Beldaru as Qaianna mentioned before something like Massive Weapons won't work since you are still a Medium creature and one size category larger is still just Large.


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Ok, it sounds when Titan Mauler says "One size category larger" it means "one size category larger than 'yourself.'" Meaning that taking Titan Mauler would be redundant, as it would only allow me to reduce some penalties.

Thanks guys, I'm gonna go modify my build

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