bracers of armour vs ghost attacks


Rules Questions


Will the ac bonus go to touch ac vs incorporeal creatures/attacks?


Yes, as they are specifically described as creating a tangible field of force. Force effects are not bypassed by incorporeality.


@Lathiira

I do not believe that is correct. The description of it being a field of force is just flavourtext, it does not say it is a force effect nor a force spell, nor does the crafting prerequisite of mage armor make it a force effect/spell because it does not replicate the spell, it's only a crafting prerequisite.

Every time UMR Incorporeal (Ex) calls out force working against incorporeal creatures, it specifies a force effect or spell and all the provided examples are spells with the [force] descriptor.


Yes.
Bracers of Armour are Force effects, essentially an item version of Mage armour.


Cuenta wrote:

@Lathiira

I do not believe that is correct. The description of it being a field of force is just flavourtext, it does not say it is a force effect nor a force spell, nor does the crafting prerequisite of mage armor make it a force effect/spell because it does not replicate the spell, it's only a crafting prerequisite.

Every time UMR Incorporeal (Ex) calls out force working against incorporeal creatures, it specifies a force effect or spell and all the provided examples are spells with the [force] descriptor.

Usually (notice the word I'm using!) flavor text is about the first line before going into details about something. So I allow you may be right. On the fly, I found the text saying it is a tangible field of force in the second line of the item's description in my CRB and UE. The incorporeality description in Bestiary 1 uses text 'such as magic missile' and 'such as mage armor', to demonstrate that those effects work, but are not an all-inclusive list.


I would be seriously unhappy with a GM who ruled they did not work the wording and intent is very clear to me.


@Lathiira
You may well be right, great if you are, I would just prefer to have a comment from a dev before we start proclaiming our personal rules interpretation to someone.

JohnHawkins wrote:
I would be seriously unhappy with a GM who ruled they did not work the wording and intent is very clear to me.

Link to a dev stating such an intent? Clearly if you know the devs intentions they must have told you at some point.

You'd be unhappy if a GM didn't give you a free +3 enhancement special ability (ghost touch)? Someone's feeling entitled.


Soo, this is still not sorted after Years of Debate...? (i.e. "Why is this still a thing...?")

etc. etc. search the message boards with "Bracers of Armor" touch AC

... best example as it has the part with quotes from PRD *Combat* section...

Specifically from poster four:

PRD, Combat and dragonhunterq wrote:

Touch Attacks: Some attacks completely disregard armor, including shields and natural armor—the aggressor need only touch a foe for such an attack to take full effect. In these cases, the attacker makes a touch attack roll (either ranged or melee). When you are the target of a touch attack, your AC doesn't include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. All other modifiers, such as your size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) apply normally. Some creatures have the ability to make incorporeal touch attacks. These attacks bypass solid objects, such as armor and shields, by passing through them. Incorporeal touch attacks work similarly to normal touch attacks except that they also ignore cover bonuses.
Incorporeal touch attacks do not ignore armor bonuses granted by force effects, such as mage armor and bracers of armor.

Mage Armour and other force armour effects only affect your touch AC against incorporeal touch attacks. They won't help you against, amongst other things, spell touch attacks or ranged touch attacks like acid flasks.


PRD, Combat wrote:


Incorporeal touch attacks do not ignore armor bonuses granted by force effects, such as mage armor and bracers of armor.

@Doki-Chan

Thanks for posting a source. Seems pretty clear with that evidence.

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