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Kren,

True and one thing going for Pym, he never became a Hulk. That I'm aware of anyway.

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He also never dated a gorgon.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Jaçinto wrote:

Hey I know I could probably just look stuff up but how did the Dr Doom storyline actually end? I thought it was going well because of an old comic where some spirit animal revealed how Doom is the only one that actually could make world peace. It brought Peter Parker's daughter back and made one more day never happen.

Also, I don't have many comics but based on the old ones I had, what ever happened to The Cadre? I actually really liked those three crazy folks.

There is a Civil War 2? Didn't they learn from the first time just how stupid it was to do that? Wasn't the Civil War just a big argument in the writers room about "Who would win in a fight between X and Y?"

Edit: I tried to get into the Ultimate universe but it was just totally made of stupid and bad. I wanted more 2099.

Alright starting from the top:

When Doctor Doom tried to take over Wakanda (for reasons that I can't remember now), Black Panther TRIED to get the spirit of said Panther God to stand against Doom. He failed because the panther god judged him without fault for believing he was best at saving the world. That wasn't what happened with Secret Wars.

SECRET WARS (2015) is really about a group collective called the Beyonders (yes the Beyonder is related to them but not directly) who decided (for reasons not entirely clear) to destroy the Multiverse using Molecule Man (who had been touched by the Cosmic Cube and forces the Beyonders used to interact with the 'regular' Marvel Universe) by having him and ALL his different versions explode at the same time.

Doom and the Molecule Man of the Marvel Universe (616) opposed them but they ended up helping them because they blew up other version that Molecule Man killed and kept their power.

While this was going on, the Multiverse, due to this fight, started to collapse. This meant other realities colliding into one another and since Earth was the focal point of these 'deaths' it meant one of three things: The destruction of BOTH universes,...

And then Reed Richards (and others) who'd escaped the destruction of the universes in an ark showed up and beat Doom, breaking the Battleworld and creating the mess we have now.

I've no idea where One More Day stands at the moment. Or pretty much any character's history for that matter.


The jeff,

I figured I'd hold off mentioning that until after he responded or had more questions.

I'm not sure the others were as responsible as much as having Doom and Richards kind of do battle and then Richards gets all of Doom's power thanks to Molecule Man.

No one has any idea where much of things stand before the Multiverse imploded. Even the Cosmic Entities.


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Krensky wrote:
He also never dated a gorgon.

Hey I LIKED Delphyne. :P Even she did have snakes for hair...

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My point was that we have a floor for Pym. He's, at the worst, the seventh smartest person on Earth. Assuming gods and Eternal and such don't count, who are the other six?

Obviously Richards, Doom, Banner, and Apocalypse go in there. I'd say Stark and Essex do too. That's six, so unless we bump one, out, T'Challa is further down the line.


Not sure we should count Mutants. I'm a HUGE Apocalypse fan, but he's not someone I think of when the word "science guy" comes around.

That being said, if we are, we count Henry "Hank" McCoy.

Probably Parker too.


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Freehold DM wrote:

I thought pym, beast and stark were all about as smart as each other, just specializing in different areas. Banner is considerably smarter than all of them but focused entirely in gamma radiation research.

Richards is as smart(or not) as the storyline says he is. He's made a lot of boneheaded moves over the years.

Banner! I forgot about Banner!

In regards to making boneheaded moves. I have a lot of doctors on the in-law side of my family. They are very smart and excel in some of the most difficult fields but they do/think some really stupid things, basic common sense things. I guess that's why Wisdom and Intelligence are separate. ;)

How smart is Banner really? His first appearance he was designing a giant bomb... and failed. The bomb did something entirely unexpected (creating a city full of Hulks was never the intention... Rick jones saved a LOT of lives by being an idiot back then...)

After that, he spent what? thirty years trying to cure the Hulk... and Failed repeatedly?

I have a hard time really nailing down a solid WIN that guy ever had... At least when Reed wants to build a portal... he builds a portal, or Pym wants to shrink something... he shrinks it. Banner? He strikes out all the time. The typical Charlie Brown character.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Kren,

True and one thing going for Pym, he never became a Hulk. That I'm aware of anyway.

Wasn't there a few years where he was suffering serious side effects from his own Pym particle experiments? I remember some semi-retirement fro a while... his heart maybe? Also I thought angry Yellowjacket was a result of his particle overexposure...

So not QUITE a Hulk... but still nothing good. :D


Isn't Pym like Half-Ultron now? I'm sure I heard that somewhere

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phantom1592 wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

I thought pym, beast and stark were all about as smart as each other, just specializing in different areas. Banner is considerably smarter than all of them but focused entirely in gamma radiation research.

Richards is as smart(or not) as the storyline says he is. He's made a lot of boneheaded moves over the years.

Banner! I forgot about Banner!

In regards to making boneheaded moves. I have a lot of doctors on the in-law side of my family. They are very smart and excel in some of the most difficult fields but they do/think some really stupid things, basic common sense things. I guess that's why Wisdom and Intelligence are separate. ;)

How smart is Banner really? His first appearance he was designing a giant bomb... and failed. The bomb did something entirely unexpected (creating a city full of Hulks was never the intention... Rick jones saved a LOT of lives by being an idiot back then...)

After that, he spent what? thirty years trying to cure the Hulk... and Failed repeatedly?

I have a hard time really nailing down a solid WIN that guy ever had... At least when Reed wants to build a portal... he builds a portal, or Pym wants to shrink something... he shrinks it. Banner? He strikes out all the time. The typical Charlie Brown character.

Richards brings him in along with Sasquatch, Morbious, and Doc Oct to try and save his second child, so, petty smart.

I also forgot MODOK, so if you don't like Banner, there's another four contenders


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I can never remember is MODOK is actually alive or not >.<

Stupid giant robot head thing...

I'm actually surprised there aren't more of the Evil Geniuses on the list. Dr. Doom should be very close to the top... Is there anything that Hank McCoy does with mutant biology that Mr. Sinister can't do? Apocalypse?? He mastered a lot of Celestial equiptment and was able to upgrade Angel and the other Horsemen... The Leader?! His whole schtick is that he's the brain equivalent to Hulk's muscles...

Lots of contenders for super smart guys.

I always liked the joke about Gotham. Why do people even still LIVE in Gotham? Everywhere you look they have psycho killers around...

Answer: They have a FANTASTIC education system there.
Hugo Strange, Mr.Freeze, Scarecrow, Harley, Hush, Hatter, Ivy... even Joker!

Almost all of Batmans enemies are either chemists, Doctors, professors, phd this or that.. LOT of Degrees floating around Arkham on an average day.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Krensky wrote:
It's Marvel's stance.

Is it a recent thing? Pym never seemed to get much respect for... what? Decades? Seems like just recently since like Age of Ultron they've tried pushing how important he actually is.

Prior to that? Shrink ray and malfunctioning robot certainly wasn't as impressive Reeds 'Make whatever it is I need for JUST THIS MOMENT!!!' that he could whip up whenever he needed. Anything from dimensional portals to machines to restore Galactus. Knowing the unknowable was always his thing. It's why Doom was so jealous all the time...

Now I kind of want to see Doom go after Pym...

Yeah, I always figured Richards was the smartest by far. Pym seemed smart but not on the same level. He seemed like he was on the same level as Stark and maybe Beast.

I thought pym, beast and stark were all about as smart as each other, just specializing in different areas. Banner is considerably smarter than all of them but focused entirely in gamma radiation research.

Richards is as smart(or not) as the storyline says he is. He's made a lot of boneheaded moves over the years.

But Hank Pym is the Scientist Supreme. As I understand among world geniuses, Banner is ranked 8th place.

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No, Amedeus Cho is number 8. He's the only person who's ever explicitly ranked as far as I know.


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Well, I still think the whole "Scientist Supreme" thing is a silly concept. Has it really been brought up again since the story it came up in?

Still, for a little bit of context

Eternity wrote:
Richards is the Explorer. For him, science is about pure discovery. More than any of my other aspects, he has the capacity to learn, comprehend, and apply all there is to know. As for your other point of reference, Anthony Stark, he is the Enginerer. For him, science is a tool which he can use to shape his world and his destiny. But you, Hank Pym... You are the Mage. For you, science is about making the impossible possible. You are the one who takes science to the very point of magic--for no other reason other than that you can.

Which is a little different than "You're the smartest."

Still seems like an excuse to do something with Pym and really a silly idea anyway. But then I remember the original Scientist Supreme.


Wasn't that just the leader of A.I.M.? When did that title come to mean something more?


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Closest thing I've found to a ranking:

1. Reed Richards- respectedany most as the smartest man in the world and master of all feilds of science, particularly cosmic radiation and antimatter physics (negative zone)

2. Dr. Doom- Some may say that Doom is the evil intellectual counterpart to Richards in all fields of science, however, Doom has also perfected a field that many would dare claim as science, dark magic. Although Pym has stated that "Magic is just science that I have yet to figure out." Doom is also a genius in the fields of robotics and energy absorption/manipulation.

3. Hank Pym- dubbed as the scientist supreme, Pym is the leading man in the fields of biocybernetics (ultron), bio-particle physics, and multi dimensional physics (Pym particles/micro- and macroverses)

4. Bruce Banner- always portrayed to be a master of radiation biophysics, particularly high frequency gamma rays absorption; as of late, Banner has been shown to also be a master of many other fields of science ranging from technology (force fields/teleportation) to genetics (cellular manipulation of his own DNA to control the Hulk). We also see in Fall of the Hulks story arc that Banner is a master strategist.

5. Tony Stark- always seen as the leading innovator of all things tech, Stark is particularly known for his works in weaponry and being a master at futurism, the ability to predict future problems and develop solutions before they even present themselves. However, after the civil war and secret invasion, we come to realize that Starks genius is best served on the circuit boards.

6. T'Challa- the ruler of a long standing civilization untainted by the modern world and yet generations more advanced due to their isolation from the world around, allowing them to grow unhindered by most worldly conflict, T'Challa is known for his mastery of all sciences from weapons and defense technology to medicine and even magic. The science and technology of T'Challa and his people has always been right on par or even beyond that of Richards, Stark, and Doom.

7. Amadeus Cho- noted many times over as being the 7th smartest person alive, Cho's primary genius comes from his uncanny ability to process seemingly infinite volumes of data in short periods of time using highly advanced mathematics and physics all in his head. This allows Cho to perform physical tasks with pinpoint accuracy in a matter of seconds, as well as finding recognizable patterns in otherwise random amounts of vast data and decipher them into comprehendible meanings (deciphering alien languages/Comparing energy fluctuation readings of magical beings such as Loki). This ability of Cho to use his brain as a "supercomputer" uniquely distinguishes him from all the other members of the Intelligencia.

8. Hank McCoy: one of the founding members of the X-Men, Hank is steps above many of the other members of this group in the fields of genetics and medicine, as well as mattering many other fields of science such as time travel. As far as I know, McCoys genious is not a manifestation of his X-gene, which makes him one of the top 8 smartest men on earth un-aided by genetics, radiation, and/or cosmic entities.

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It was a title AIM used, but it's also a title/position bestowed by Eternity, like being Sorcerer Supreme.

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Cho is 8. He was seven, then Pym came back and made him eight by both Pym and Banner's statements.

That list also ignores Mr Sinister, and pretty much ever villian other than Doom.


phantom1592 wrote:

Wasn't that just the leader of A.I.M.? When did that title come to mean something more?

Yandroth, an old Dr. Strange (and later Defenders) foe. Obviously created to parallel "Sorcerer Supreme".

I think the AIM title came later. And then the whole Eternity thing out of the blue recently.


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Krensky wrote:

Cho is 8. He was seven, then Pym came back and made him eight by both Pym and Banner's statements.

That list also ignores Mr Sinister, and pretty much ever villian other than Doom.

The list does not include those whose intellect was altered, or magnified by mutation, technology, or magic. This is a list of those honorable mentions:

There are others worth noting however, many of these have either been altered in some way, are alien to earth, or are comic/ godlike entities.

Dr. Samson-Psychiatry

M.O.D.O.K.-genetics

The Leader-Radiation

The Tinkerer-weaponry/tech

The Mad Thinker-strategy/schemes

High Evolutionary-genetics

Mr. Sinister-genetics

Charles Xavier-neuroscience/psychology/tech

Dr. Nemesis-physiology

Prodigy-many fields

Cypher-technology/code

Forge-technology

Noh-Varr-technology

Arnim Zola-genetics

Magneto-Electromagnetism/Technology/physiology

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That seems stupid, but then it ignores, at least, Sasquatch (Banner and McCoy's peer) and Morbious (Nobel Prize winner before he became the living vampire). Probably tons of others.

I mean, basically, that lost look like something tossed together as click bait and is designed to allow the person who assembled it to just pick whoever they wanted.


Greylurker wrote:
Isn't Pym like Half-Ultron now? I'm sure I heard that somewhere

Yep though there's no certainty about who exactly in control.


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Maybe Kren, but I don't think Sasquatch has built his own A.I. that tried to kill him. Or some other things Banner has built.

I get that people don't understand why Doom is on this list and not Doc Ock, or the Mad Thinker or the Wizard.

But here's my reasoning: Those three haven't done much other than copy works of others, thus augmenting an existing technology or understanding.

Doom built his own TIME Machine. Far as I know none of the other guys that are villains have done this.


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There's been a few AI's floating around. Doc Ock has robots, Mad Thinker has robots, MODOK may BE a robot.. Doom's robots impersonate himself to where nobody can tell the difference. Most of which haven't turned on their maker and tried to destroy the living. So technically BETTER AI then Pyms..

Besides, nobody really questions Doom's place on the list. It's that everyone else is 'good guys', when evil mad scientist is a #1 comic trope. I still don't see anything that Beast does that Mr. Sinister couldn't accomplish. That whole 'Clone Jean Grey' with fake background memories to fool a team known for psychics fighting shapeshifters... that's PRETTY impressive.


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I still kind of like DC's mad geniuses better. They are more crazy by and large.

Like T.O.Morrow. He's really only invented 1 thing. a Device that lets him look into the future so that he can steal other people's inventions before they invent them.

and Dr. Sivana, who claims that Morrow has been stealling all his inventions for years now. Which considering he has actually invented Artifical Time, he probably has enough knowledge on Temporal physics to detect when someone is spying on him through time.

DC did a story where someone kidnapped all the DC mad scientists and put them all on an island together. All of these nut jobs together in one spot with all the lab equipment and resources they could ever want.


Isn't Reed only the smartest because he always knows how to pull the "I win" gadget out of wherever. As I remember, Reed Richards essentially has cheat codes. Kinda like how some people treat Batman's utility belt. There was also the time he got the deus ex machina gadget from the watcher out of nowhere.


Jaçinto wrote:
Isn't Reed only the smartest because he always knows how to pull the "I win" gadget out of wherever. As I remember, Reed Richards essentially has cheat codes. Kinda like how some people treat Batman's utility belt. There was also the time he got the deus ex machina gadget from the watcher out of nowhere.

Dose Reed still have the Ultimate Nullifier?

that's pretty much one of the pen-ultimate cheat devices out there.

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He used it to destroy the world without Galactus, resorting Galactus, because Franklin and Valaria told him to if memory serves.

As for Pym, at different points is been commented that Pym particles, the Antman helmet, and... something else... whatever, should not work. They violate the rules of physics as genius science people on Earth-616 understand them.

Especially some of the things he did with them while he was the Science Adventurer, like keeping Pym particles in his pocket and flipping them at people like so much spate change.


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Jaçinto wrote:
Isn't Reed only the smartest because he always knows how to pull the "I win" gadget out of wherever. As I remember, Reed Richards essentially has cheat codes. Kinda like how some people treat Batman's utility belt. There was also the time he got the deus ex machina gadget from the watcher out of nowhere.

True, but I cut him some slack since he's always shown fiddling around in a lab inventing stuff. Batman's belt was always much lamer, since he spent so much time exercising/Dating/running wayne foundation and everything else involved with maintaining his cover...

For Reed to say 'HEY! that's the perfect use for that thing I was working on last week' holds a bit more legitimacy :P


Jaçinto wrote:
Isn't Reed only the smartest because he always knows how to pull the "I win" gadget out of wherever. As I remember, Reed Richards essentially has cheat codes. Kinda like how some people treat Batman's utility belt. There was also the time he got the deus ex machina gadget from the watcher out of nowhere.

That's pretty much the essence of genius.

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Bat Shark Repellent.

That is all.


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Krensky wrote:

Bat Shark Repellent.

That is all.

Which he kept on a helicopter.

SHARK REPELLENT... on a HELICOPTER... Somehow he prepared for exactly this moment...

I've said it before... Adam West is the most comic accurate Bat-god ever.

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phantom1592 wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Bat Shark Repellent.

That is all.

Which he kept on a helicopter.

SHARK REPELLENT... on a HELICOPTER... Somehow he prepared for exactly this moment...

I've said it before... Adam West is the most comic accurate Bat-god ever.

I shall now have to place you both on the List of People to be Recruited into the Horde.


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Not sure most accurate but I will agree he's a classic Batman.

Unlike say, George Clooney.

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Krensky wrote:
Regardless, Pym's one of the seven smartest since him coming back to Earth bumped Cho down from seven.

The whole 'whose the smartest man' in the world comic-book stakes bug me, since they assume that the smartest person in the world is a man, and also assume that the smartest person in the world is a human (and not an Inhuman, Eternal, Atlantean, Deviant, etc.), and assume that the smartest person in the world is someone we've seen as a superhero, and mostly ignores non-superheroes (and super-intelligent sorts like the Leader or High Evolutionary, who are *explicitly* smarter than Richards or Stark or Pym could ever be, just as Thor is stronger than Captain America, because it's an actual super-power they have).

Meanless junk-measuring, IMO, and it seems to change with writers and over time as new smart people are introduced.

Although I'm pretty okay with Stark, Richards and Pym individually thinking they are super-clever, while people like the Mad Thinker and Arnim Zola just kind of scoff at the kiddies squabbling over whose tiny still-human brain is bestest at meat-thinking.


Meat thinking?

What the hell is that?!


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Meat thinking?

What the hell is that?!

They're Made Out of Meat


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....

*goes back to hiding the corner*


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Wasn't the "Eternity" who told Hank Pym he was "Scientist Supreme" actually Loki in disguise, and then he mocked Pym for being a gullible twit?

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Meat thinking?

What the hell is that?!

You're all meat bags in my book.

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Ninja in the Rye wrote:
Wasn't the "Eternity" who told Hank Pym he was "Scientist Supreme" actually Loki in disguise, and then he mocked Pym for being a gullible twit?

That was definitely something Loki said to Pym, but since Pym had just teleported into one of Loki's castles and set up a magic-nullifying trap that was holding Loki powerless, Loki's word on the subject is even less reliable than usual.

That said, the whole 'Scientist Supreme' thing seems like bad fanfic, and I say this as a fan of Pym.

Different writers veer wildly in different directions with the character. One wants him to be Scientist Supreme, up there with Reed and Tony (both of whom Eternity *also* gave special titles). Another wants Scott Lang to know more about Pym particles than him.

Sometimes who is 'smartest' depends on who is writing the character. One week it's Reed, the next week it's T'Challa, and then it's Pym's turn on the 'I'se tha smarterest!' merry-go-round.


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I don't know, I think that over the majority of Marvel history I'd say that Reed and Doom have, by default, been understood as a cut above the rest, particularly in terms of being polymaths who are masters of almost every area of science (and Doom, of course, is a near Dr. Strange level master of magic as well).

Pym, Banner, Stark, T'Chala, ect ... being a step down from them, though on the same level or even slightly above in their particular areas of expertise.

Also, Reed traveled back in time and helped Eternity create the universe, so I like to think that the whole scientist supreme thing was just Reed trying to give Hank a confidence boost.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Meat thinking?

What the hell is that?!

You're all meat bags in my book.

*isn't a meat bag* Just a guy made of stuff that also has his soul on loan to a few thousand arch-fiends...

As for who the smartest entity in the Marvel Universe is, I'd have to say Deadpool. :p

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
HK-47 wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Meat thinking?

What the hell is that?!

You're all meat bags in my book.

*isn't a meat bag* Just a guy made of stuff that also has his soul on loan to a few thousand arch-fiends...

As for who the smartest entity in the Marvel Universe is, I'd have to say Deadpool's mouth. :p

FTFY. :-)

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Ninja in the Rye wrote:
I don't know, I think that over the majority of Marvel history I'd say that Reed and Doom have, by default, been understood as a cut above the rest, particularly in terms of being polymaths who are masters of almost every area of science (and Doom, of course, is a near Dr. Strange level master of magic as well).

Doom's 'mastery' of magic seems to come and go. For decades he was *said* to know stuff about magic, but rarely, if ever, *did* any magic. So when he's touted as a potential Sorcerer Supreme, I'm all 'the what now?'

But yeah, he (and Reed) are very much the 'Professor' sort of scientist, just arbitrarily good at *everything,* which does set them a cut above specialists like Tony Stark or Hank McCoy or Emma Frost (who was a genius inventor, once upon a time, able to create mind-switching psi-tech that even Xavier found perplexing, until she reverted to a stripper with telepathy and fake bazongas).

I remember an Iron Man story in which Doom time-travelled them back to Arthurian times, and the two of them had to work together to reconstruct a time-travel machine to get home. Stark's thinking 'I've never met someone with such a ferocious intellect!' and Doom, who has no idea that Iron Man is Stark, 'If his *lackies* are this clever, Stark himself must be a genius!' Heh.


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Ninja in the Rye wrote:
I don't know, I think that over the majority of Marvel history I'd say that Reed and Doom have, by default, been understood as a cut above the rest, particularly in terms of being polymaths who are masters of almost every area of science (and Doom, of course, is a near Dr. Strange level master of magic as well).

Doom's 'mastery' of magic seems to come and go. For decades he was *said* to know stuff about magic, but rarely, if ever, *did* any magic. So when he's touted as a potential Sorcerer Supreme, I'm all 'the what now?'

But yeah, he (and Reed) are very much the 'Professor' sort of scientist, just arbitrarily good at *everything,* which does set them a cut above specialists like Tony Stark or Hank McCoy or Emma Frost (who was a genius inventor, once upon a time, able to create mind-switching psi-tech that even Xavier found perplexing, until she reverted to a stripper with telepathy and fake bazongas).

That's pretty much my take on Doom's sorcery. If he really was anywhere near Strange's level, that should be a much larger part of his abilities than he almost always uses. If nothing else, the FF have almost no defences against magic - spy on and harass them in astral form, for example. He's a dabbler with some talent and that's how he's been portrayed the vast majority of the time.

As for Frost, I'd say it's more the "genius inventor" part that was out of character. That's the one-off "I made an impossible device for this one storyline" case.

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thejeff wrote:
Set wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:
I don't know, I think that over the majority of Marvel history I'd say that Reed and Doom have, by default, been understood as a cut above the rest, particularly in terms of being polymaths who are masters of almost every area of science (and Doom, of course, is a near Dr. Strange level master of magic as well).

Doom's 'mastery' of magic seems to come and go. For decades he was *said* to know stuff about magic, but rarely, if ever, *did* any magic. So when he's touted as a potential Sorcerer Supreme, I'm all 'the what now?'

But yeah, he (and Reed) are very much the 'Professor' sort of scientist, just arbitrarily good at *everything,* which does set them a cut above specialists like Tony Stark or Hank McCoy or Emma Frost (who was a genius inventor, once upon a time, able to create mind-switching psi-tech that even Xavier found perplexing, until she reverted to a stripper with telepathy and fake bazongas).

That's pretty much my take on Doom's sorcery. If he really was anywhere near Strange's level, that should be a much larger part of his abilities than he almost always uses. If nothing else, the FF have almost no defences against magic - spy on and harass them in astral form, for example. He's a dabbler with some talent and that's how he's been portrayed the vast majority of the time.

As for Frost, I'd say it's more the "genius inventor" part that was out of character. That's the one-off "I made an impossible device for this one storyline" case.

Oh, please, as if Emma would do something as mundane as inventing. She has people for that. And the ones who came up with that device were very well-rewarded. And all of the carecosts after their tragic coma-inducing breakdowns are being picked up by Frost Industries. It's the very least she could do.


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thejeff wrote:
Set wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:
I don't know, I think that over the majority of Marvel history I'd say that Reed and Doom have, by default, been understood as a cut above the rest, particularly in terms of being polymaths who are masters of almost every area of science (and Doom, of course, is a near Dr. Strange level master of magic as well).

Doom's 'mastery' of magic seems to come and go. For decades he was *said* to know stuff about magic, but rarely, if ever, *did* any magic. So when he's touted as a potential Sorcerer Supreme, I'm all 'the what now?'

But yeah, he (and Reed) are very much the 'Professor' sort of scientist, just arbitrarily good at *everything,* which does set them a cut above specialists like Tony Stark or Hank McCoy or Emma Frost (who was a genius inventor, once upon a time, able to create mind-switching psi-tech that even Xavier found perplexing, until she reverted to a stripper with telepathy and fake bazongas).

That's pretty much my take on Doom's sorcery. If he really was anywhere near Strange's level, that should be a much larger part of his abilities than he almost always uses. If nothing else, the FF have almost no defences against magic - spy on and harass them in astral form, for example. He's a dabbler with some talent and that's how he's been portrayed the vast majority of the time.

As for Frost, I'd say it's more the "genius inventor" part that was out of character. That's the one-off "I made an impossible device for this one storyline" case.

I remember there was a comic where Doom says he finds magic to be unreliable. There are always hidden costs and consequences behind it. Science is more upfront and suits his intellect better. Why use Arcane Bolts when he can just use Blasters.

The Impression I get is that he knows magic so that it can't be used against him.

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