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Oh Marvel, you really are terrible now.


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Finished it early this week - interesting final battle. Let's just say there are really close similarities between the New and Old Secret Wars (cough everything once again hinges on molecule man cough)


Well yeah but let's face it, when you're empowered by creatures that are nearly above everything else, you've got to be the McGuffin.

Regardless, I like New Secret Wars for its...differences rather than similarities to the Old Secret Wars.

The Exchange

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WormysQueue wrote:
Oh dunno, between Apocalypse War and Civil War, They hadn't too much time doing anything with Iceman being gay. They hinted at the topic in All-New X-Men #12 But that's it for young Iceman. And Old Iceman is busy kicking ass in major ways.

Now in ANXM #13, it was all about young Iceman going out and trying to find out someone to probably date with. I thought they handled that quite well because it wasn't so much about Bobby being gay but about the awkwardness of trying to make new acquaintances, something people can relate to no matter their sexual orientation. And the end of the story* might have actual story potential given what's going on in the larger X-World.

*:
In the end, Bobby goes away with the phone number of a young Inhuman, which will probably end in a quite complicated relationship


Well today's Marvel Solicits don't bode well for Mutants. Apparently the Terri-genesis cloud has become so imbued into Earth, it will kill all the mutants that step outside.

So...yeah not a great time to be a Mutant.

Plus side? The Avengers at least are trying to fix stuff. I think.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Plus side? The Avengers at least are trying to fix stuff. I think.

Avengers. Trying since 1963!


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Wormy,

Yeah now apparently Miles Morales kills Captain Hydra I mean Steve Hydra, I mean that guy that Chris Evans plays on screen but apparently someone in the comics decided to screw us over.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Wormy,

Yeah now apparently Miles Morales kills Captain Hydra I mean Steve Hydra, I mean that guy that Chris Evans plays on screen but apparently someone in the comics decided to screw us over.

so it wasnt being screwed over the last 3 times something like this happened?


Freehold,

I don't follow but I'm sure since Miles runs off and joins the other former young Avengers as the Champions, that Captain Marvel's arrest might not hold up.

But we'll see.


So, is Civil War II just done with even trying to make its main conflict morally ambiguous? Was it even supposed to be morally ambiguous?

I mean, to me they just turned Captain Marvel into another super-fascist a la Tony Stark in the first one, just this time they changed the issue from big government control to profiling, which is lot harder to make a non black-and-white issue given our real world understanding of the problems with profiling technologies.

Also, they just flat out admitted that the MacGuffin Boy's powers aren't even 100 accurate so what's the point anymore? Just a bunch of idiots beating each other up, getting old fan favorite characters killed or injured and no one trying to think a moderate middle ground like reacting only to global or cosmic threats and not street-crime.

It all just a big cluster f%#! on nonsense IMHO.


I wonder what would happen if a Vision of the future shows Captain Marvel doing something horrible. After the extreme stuff she did to the woman with the suitcase and others it would be very intersting what path she would follow.

"The visions are not 100% happening, so no reason to overreact" would be one of the most funny stuff ever written^^

Dark Archive

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Also the visions are basically only a snippent of whats happening no context of why and how. So yeah they see Miles killing rogers no one thinks to maybe consider its that one or both are mind controlled (Hardly uncommon and technicly Steve is right now) Marvel just says arrest him.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Also the visions are basically only a snippent of whats happening no context of why and how. So yeah they see Miles killing rogers no one thinks to maybe consider its that one or both are mind controlled (Hardly uncommon and technicly Steve is right now) Marvel just says arrest him.

Yeah, I noticed this with the Hulk vision, that it was clearly a Hulk, but *not* clearly Banner, or clear that the 'Iron Man' he'd discombobulated wasn't a doombot or Skrull or invader from another earth where Iron Man is an evil(er) jerk whose invasion of evil dimensional conquerors the Hulk has just stopped.

And her first reaction is 'Get Banner! Who, uh, isn't actually the Hulk anymore, but whatevs! Think it through later, overreact now! Go, go, go!'

Plus the whole precognition thing is so yesterday. The X-Men have two students with that power (Blindfold and Preview), and a half-dozen capable of time travel (Tempus, Ilyanna, Rachel, Nate, Negasonic, etc.). I'm sure it's all terribly exciting for the Inhumans, who have apparently never had a precog in the last 10,000 years of random Terrigenesis, but it's passé for the rest of the Marvel universe.


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How it Should Have Ended:
Hawkeye aims and fires at Banner.
The Other Guy spits out the arrow, rampages, and kills the predicted # of Avengers, including Iron Man.


Green,

It still might happen due to the fact the Hand apparently is going to Necromancy his corpse.

Also I agree with everything everyone said about CWII being the most stupid of the Civil Wars. Right now Marvel is looking like a complete idiot and not even a mildly incompetent one. Just one that thinks "This stuff works!"

Which again, is pretty typical of Brian "I Hate the Fans, the Happy, and Generally any idea that isn't cool like mine" Bendis.


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The first one was pretty stupid. That it is now viewed as "the good one" is beyond me.


Free,

Compared to this, I think it's good. I mean at least Hawkeye didn't out right MURDER people.


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Freehold DM wrote:
The first one was pretty stupid. That it is now viewed as "the good one" is beyond me.

You and me both, which I suppose goes to show just how bad the second one is.


Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Yeah, Marvel really doesn't have the whole "Thou shalt not kill" overarching superhero policy that DC has. Then again, Superman was totally fine with killing Darkseid with a song during Final Crisis and Wonder Women snapped a guy's neck once, so...


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Wonderwoman has never really been hung up on killing people when she felt it was needed. She just tries to avoid when possible. However Batman and Supes really need to stop being shocked and appalled every time it happens. But then that's an issue for another discussion. I haven't really been keeping up with comics lately. They're doing another Civil War? So soon. I really wasn't impressed with the first one.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.


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Delightful wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.
Yeah, Marvel really doesn't have the whole "Thou shalt not kill" overarching superhero policy that DC has. Then again, Superman was totally fine with killing Darkseid with a song during Final Crisis and Wonder Women snapped a guy's neck once, so...

Those were extreme cases though. And it was Batman that picked up a gun and killed Darkseid.

Superman was willing to kill him in the Animated continuity/Earth-12. But again, extreme circumstance. Darkseid had made him into a weapon to attack the Earth, and made the people of Earth, even his good friend Dr. Emil Lang, fear and distrust him. Plus, he is a god, not a mugger or metahuman bank robber.

In Diana's case, he was about to do irreparable harm and the only way to stop him (supposedly) was to use lethal force. Later writers treated that as an absolute, that there was no other way - regardless of whether or not it was actually that well written in the first place.

Unfortunately, since 2011 everyone thinks she should run around with a sword - and even are trying to make people think it has been a normal thing since Crisis or even before. She is as strong as a Kryptonian. She can rip anything short of Prometheum (DC analogue to Adamantium) with her bare hands. And she carries the means to attack a foe at range without lethal injury (ignoring the Adrienne Palicki pilot). why would she need a sword?


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Sword made by the Gods that can split an atom.

(Kid you not they actually did this)


Grey,

They did it in Marvel too.

Phantom,

THANK YOU!. I'm glad someone remember that, especially after the hell that Bobbi when through with Lincoln Slade.


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Also Bendis is still an ass.


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Unfortunately, since 2011 everyone thinks she should run around with a sword - and even are trying to make people think it has been a normal thing since Crisis or even before. She is as strong as a Kryptonian. She can rip anything short of Prometheum (DC analogue to Adamantium) with her bare hands. And she carries the means to attack a foe at range without lethal injury (ignoring the Adrienne Palicki pilot). why would she need a sword?

Because it gives her an edge? :)

Why shouldn't she use a blade? Every other Amazon packs one. And she has no code against killing. And that sword makes her one of the precautions against Superman if he goes off the reservation, since it's magical, and bypasses his Kryptonian DR.

I suspect that at least part of the reason is that she used one in Kingdom Come, and she was extremely well drawn in that comic so it reforged that image of her in the minds of those who read it.

Dark Archive

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phantom1592 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.

Yeah it feels a lot like they got rid of origonal Hawkeye and replaced him with Ultimate/movieverse Hawkeye.


Kevin Mack wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.

Yeah it feels a lot like they got rid of origonal Hawkeye and replaced him with Ultimate/movieverse Hawkeye.

I suppose since the cinematic Avengers don't have a bone with killing I guess that would make sense.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Yeah it feels a lot like they got rid of origonal Hawkeye and replaced him with Ultimate/movieverse Hawkeye.

It's such a weird thing. MCU Hawkeye is deadly dull, hyper-competent 'master assassin' or not. Comic book Hawkeye is funny, quippy enough to get in mid-battle quip-fights with Spider-Man and occasionally a bit of a hard-luck hero with an everyman sort of vibe.

MCU Black Widow is way more interesting, to me, than the comic book version, on the other hand. MCU Thor is just terribly gleepy and gormless and other words that might not mean what I think they do, belonging in a romantic comedy starring as the dimpled beefcake, not portraying an awe-inspiring millennia-old war god that even Captain America and Nick Fury look up to with a mixture of trepidation and respect.

MCU Hawkeye suffered from MCU Tony Stark being a quippy guy (little or nothing like comic-book Stark had been at the time, around the first Civil War and being more of a jerk), and so when Hawkeye appeared in the MCU, he had to be something else, and that 'something else' appears to be 'boring as hell.' And now, just as comic-book Tony is turning quippier and more 'Robert Downey, Jr.-ish,' comic-book Hawkeye seems doomed to become as lifeless and uninteresting as the Jeremey Renner-version of the character.

Still, it's not like characters haven't changed radically in characterization even before the MCU. Star-Lord and Drax, as Guardians of the Galaxy, are wildly different than those characters were before hand. I don't miss Star-Lord's romantic relationship with his sentient spaceship, 'cause that was a little bit weird, even for comics, but do miss Drax being a formerly-human flying energy blaster, instead of a musclebound 'funny alien misunderstanding' twit with a knife fetish.


Set,

My major gripe with the way Drax has been handled is mostly that he's less intelligent than before. I mean yeah he always wanted to kill Thanos, but he did it with intelligence.

This version...less so.

Also I agree that comic book Tony has gotten more quip-oriented. But it's to his benefit in some ways to make him seem less like Reed Richards. I think.

But mostly they made Hawkeye less fun. Unless it's Kate Bishop. Cause she's the one everyone wants now.


phantom1592 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.

look at the creative staff for this. A LOT of these are the same writing team and are in some cases even in the same story arc. Badly written article here.


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So yeah, I blame Bendis, Free.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
So yeah, I blame Bendis, Free.

Blame him if you will- I'm not his biggest fan myself, although I do think he is badly overused. But I don't buy this article as a defense.


Freehold,

Well what do you find defensible about Bendis crapping on Hawkeye, Captain Marvel and now Miles Morales?


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Freehold,

Well what do you find defensible about Bendis crapping on Hawkeye, Captain Marvel and now Miles Morales?

not much, just that that article wasn't very good. I think he is overused and running on fumes. For some reason, marvel has given him the keys and he isn't running things overly well.


Huh. So newest Spider-man ahs the old Big Brain robot from wayyyy back in the original run.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Grey,

They did it in Marvel too.

Phantom,

THANK YOU!. I'm glad someone remember that, especially after the hell that Bobbi when through with Lincoln Slade.

Excalibur did it in Camelot 3000 as well (DC 12 issue series).

spoiler:
The resulting nuclear explosion took out an alien fleet.


Grey,

K. I just was thinking about Marvel.

Manny,

I think you mean Doctor Octopus had his brain scanned and kept in storage until he decided he needed his old body back.

Free,

Yep fumes of fumes.


@Thomas

The robot he is using was shown in Amazing Spider-Man #8 way back when.
Early version. So they brought it backa s an homage.


MannyGoblin wrote:

@Thomas

The robot he is using was shown in Amazing Spider-Man #8 way back when.
Early version. So they brought it backa s an homage.

Yes he's been shown before because Superior Spiderman (Spider-Oct) had used him as an assistant a while back. It's only recently did he go nuts and go boom.

Sovereign Court

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Also Bendis is still an ass.

+1000!


Thank you Jack. :)


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I just read this and wait, Marvel is doing a SECOND Civil War? What, the first wasn't awful enough? Can you count on issues and storylines being held hostage because the miniseries everything else is tied in to is half a year behind? Which heroes turned into imbecilic fascists this time?

Dangit, Marvel.


Eric,

It's mostly Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) and some of her group/friends that believe in this Inhuman's ability to see the future (which has room for error, accuracy and not to mention biases) versus Tony Stark and his guys that want it to happen naturally. Basically if you took the premise of Minority Report, but used Super Heroes instead...you'd probably get NEARLY the same thing.

Nearly being the operative word.


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phantom1592 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.

I read that article. Hoo boy. I can remember when Mockingbird killed her rapist, Phantom Rider (and ugh how I hated what they did to him, turning him from a spooky hero into an utter scumbag) and I thought Hawkeye was being a jerk over the whole thing.

I loved the line about how Hawkeye would 'never let Wolverine be an Avenger'. And yet Bubsnikt Boy ended up in the Avengers anyway in the end. So he could kill the people Iron Man and Cap were too 'pure' to kill. BLARGH!


Eric,

You should read Mockingbird's latest comic. A certain someone shows back up...again!


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Eric,

You should read Mockingbird's latest comic. A certain someone shows back up...again!

Hoo boy, do I want to know?

And am I wrong, or did comics fans eventually learn that Mockingbird was replaced by a Skrull and had never actually married Hawkeye in the first place?


Eric,

No that was confirmed thanks to Secret Invasion.


Eric Hinkle wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Eric,

You should read Mockingbird's latest comic. A certain someone shows back up...again!

Hoo boy, do I want to know?

And am I wrong, or did comics fans eventually learn that Mockingbird was replaced by a Skrull and had never actually married Hawkeye in the first place?

No, she was replaced after the marriage. I think it was told in their 2009 series that it happened just prior to her abduction by Ultron in West Coast Avengers.


Freehold DM wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Hawkeye has murdered people before. Lots of comic book characters have on the regular. I dont know how or why it became so awful for them to kill on occasion when the story warranted it.

Hawkeye doesn't kill

Hawkeye has long had a stance of 'Avengers don't kill'. It was a very specific thing to him.

Granted this was prior to Bendis dragging Ultimate assassin Hawkeye over... but he took his heroic role model status VERY serious.

look at the creative staff for this. A LOT of these are the same writing team and are in some cases even in the same story arc. Badly written article here.

I had never read West Coast Avengers during those years, but the one that I remembered so vividly was when he took over the Thunderbolts and made Mach 1 turn himself in. Hercules shows up to kill Atlas for revenge over the whole masters of Evil beatdown of the Avengers years ago... and Hawkeye has to put himself in the middle explaining to Herc how he just made that whole 'Avengers don't kill' speech and he'd have to go through Hawkeye if he wanted to do it.

That one issue alone, regardless of how much they milked that 'is it ok to kill a rapist' issue really cements the Hawkeye doesn't kill attitude.

I agree it was a pretty weak article, and should have been 7 examples of Hawkeye refusing to kill... but regardless the point still stands.

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