How can a five ounce bird carry a one pound coconut?


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Silver Crusade

Seriously. More of a flavor question than rules problem: For a song bird of doom wanting to use disarm with UAS in order to hold onto disarmed weapons, how could it do this?

Adamantine gauntlets custom made for its claws?
Sovereign Glue?
Piece of string between its dorsal guiding feathers?

What else?

Shadow Lodge

It would just grip it by the husk.


Grip it by the husk and cast ant haul.


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What if two shallows carried it on a line?

Scarab Sages

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Is the bird Garundi or Avistani?


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Imbicatus wrote:
Is the bird Garundi or Avistani?

I don't know... AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaahhhhhhhh......


How do you guys know so much about songbirds of doom?

Liberty's Edge

Moto Muck wrote:
How do you guys know so much about songbirds of doom?

I am a fox of doom


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Well you have to knows these things when you're a GM, you know.


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Simple, have a servant do it.


Adhesive armour?

Scarab Sages

Why are the enemies using coconuts as weapons?

Liberty's Edge

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The answer seems obvious to me...


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Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Why are the enemies using coconuts as weapons?

Pumpkins are better..

Scarab Sages

Coconuts are a natural laxative...


Who would have thought? Wilson? WILSON??!!


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Murdock Mudeater wrote:
Why are the enemies using coconuts as weapons?
Pumpkins are better..

gourd leshies with demilichees inside a portable hole. Now the portable hole has a nondetection spell protecting it. Since it is inside an extradimensional space inside an extradimensional space it is inaccessable Now it won't put up much of a fight but if someone kills the gourd leshy finds the protable hole opens it up splat tpk.

Now gourd leshies are guillable so you might be able to get them to think they are giving a gift to an enemy kingdom and has gems that fill human eye sockets in them. Also gourd leshies have pass without trace. Oh and immune to mind affecting affects.


Back to the original question, use shrink object on a coconut and when the magic fails, the birb drops the coconut.

For sword art online, the character turns into a bird, takes the coconut out of inventory, and drops it.


Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it


deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?


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Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

Go to their house on halloween because they have the best candy AND decorations?


Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

This bird you speak of... Is it a song bird, or a DUCK!!!


Around here we ask the witch to join our adventuring party. :)


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MageHunter wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

This bird you speak of... Is it a song bird, or a DUCK!!!

Duck Season.....

/cevah


5 ounce bird carrying 1 pound coconut? Eh, it could happen. Some owls carry up to 2-3 times their weight while in flight.

Of course, there are questions of how the bird phyiscally holds onto the coconut, and whether its body type is appropriate for heavy lifts, and whether the size of the object would obstruct its flight. But... that is far, far too much realism for this game, where physics are representational at best. The game only distinguishes owls from song birds due to size, str, and maybe flight maneuverability for this problem.

Silver Crusade

Cool! I think I know the answer now.

@MageHunter: do you mean a duck of doom? you should know better than to pick up a duck in a dungeon. Loose two levels.


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Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

(excited)

Make a bridge out of her!


Redblade8 wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

(excited)

Make a bridge out of her!

...Witch Season!

/cevah


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I dont know but also know if some frigged woman tossing out swords to people isnt a realistic form of government.


She turned me into a newt!
(I got better.)


Cast the wish spell and give it immortality plus the power of a saturn 5 rocket!!!


Cevah wrote:
Redblade8 wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
deuxhero wrote:
Assuming a five ounce bird is a diminutive animal with one strength (which seems right based on the raven stats), just cast bull's strength on it

Sounds like witchcraft to me!

And do you know what we do with witches?

(excited)

Make a bridge out of her!

...Witch Season!

/cevah

May we burn her?


lemeres wrote:
5 ounce bird carrying 1 pound coconut? Eh, it could happen. Some owls carry up to 2-3 times their weight while in flight.

Though there is a distinct difference between a bird of prey which is adapted to snatching up and carrying loads back home, and a songbird, which eats bugs, small fruits and/or seeds and thus has no need for carrying a significant amount above its tare.


If you're assuming you have another way of disarming, you could resize a hand of the mage to fit the bird better and use its effect.


Threeshades wrote:
lemeres wrote:
5 ounce bird carrying 1 pound coconut? Eh, it could happen. Some owls carry up to 2-3 times their weight while in flight.
Though there is a distinct difference between a bird of prey which is adapted to snatching up and carrying loads back home, and a songbird, which eats bugs, small fruits and/or seeds and thus has no need for carrying a significant amount above its tare.

...which I acknowledged when discussing bird body types...

A smart, handsome, charismatic person wrote:
and whether its body type is appropriate for heavy lifts, and whether the size of the object would obstruct its flight. But... that is far, far too much realism for this game, where physics are representational at best. The game only distinguishes owls from song birds due to size, str, and maybe flight maneuverability for this problem.

The bird has a body type appropriate for its niche. But the rules hardly make those distinctions, because it would be complicated to a silly degree, and just be a waste of paper.

The central question I tried to address was this: could ANY bird like creature pick up something that heavy compared to its size, and then successfully fly off with it? Is such a thing physically possible at all? In that regard- yes. Owls can do it. Whether the song bird can specifically do it is just a side note. It is like asking if a car can be lifted by hand- can my hands do it? No- but there is some body builder out there that could probably do it (and I frankly feel there is a larger difference in body type between a world class body builder and my scrawny self than there is between these birds...)

Scarab Sages

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Probably something like this, or this.

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