Favoured Class Bonus for Alternate Classes (Yes, this again)

[Mizuno Qenido]

So I'm playing a Kitsune Ninja/Slinger in a living campaign, which uses PFS rules. I wanted to take Ninja as my favoured class to get 1/6 a rogue talent, but the owner says I can't do that. I've seen a lot of threads one way or the other, and word of god seems to imply that I should be able to take a that FC Bonus:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q5h4?Kitsune-rogue-favored-class-option-for-ni njas#8

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lrqb&page=2?Alternate-class-what-I-dont-ge t-it#58

The lead GM's argument is that, because Ninja Tricks replace the Rogue Talent class feature, I don't have the feature to which the FC bonus applies.

I know this has been discussed before, but it tends to get all muddy, so I'm hoping I can get a straight answer here.

[Pirate Rob]

PFS has no special rules on ninjas/rouges.

That said, ninjas are not rogues and cannot take rogue options. (Unless granted to them specifically by various class features etc)

[Mizuno Qenido]

Pirate Rob wrote:

PFS has no special rules on ninjas/rouges.

That said, ninjas are not rogues and cannot take rogue options. (Unless granted to them specifically by various class features etc)

The logic in favour of it being allowed is that the ninja technically counts as an archetype, according to the makers. Not saying you're wrong, just pointing it out, in the chance that it changes anything.

[dragonhunterq]

Your GMs principle argument is right, while ninja is an extended rogue archtype you traded away rogue talent class feature, so FC bonuses that pertain to rogue tricks cannot apply.

If ninja tricks said something like "this works like rogue tricks except..." you might have an argument, but I don't believe it does.

[Pirate Rob]

Mizuno Qenido wrote:

Pirate Rob wrote:

PFS has no special rules on ninjas/rouges.

That said, ninjas are not rogues and cannot take rogue options. (Unless granted to them specifically by various class features etc)

The logic in favour of it being allowed is that the ninja technically counts as an archetype, according to the makers. Not saying you're wrong, just pointing it out, in the chance that it changes anything.

I used to believe that statement, but I now believe it it incorrect.

[Chess Pwn]

This is the joy of "no unchained ninja." We had a great working model of what the ninja was, A big archetype, and how it interacted with everything, it's a rogue. Now, All we know is that a ninja isn't a big archetype and it's not a rogue. We don't have any clarification on WHAT it actually is. I had a thread trying to get FAQs to clarify what an alternate class was and could use from a parent class. But as of now we have nothing official other than it's not an archetype and it's not a rogue for all things.

[BigNorseWolf]

Benefit: The ninja can select a rogue talent in place of a ninja trick. The ninja cannot select a rogue talent that has the same name as a ninja trick. The ninja can select this talent multiple times.

[BigNorseWolf]

Pirate Rob wrote:

I used to believe that statement, but I now believe it it incorrect.

I believe it was ONLY to stop the unchained ninja. Further effects than that probably weren't intended.

[Mizuno Qenido]

The frustrating part is that the maker's clarification didn't really clarify anything. A simple yes or no from the powers that be would've been helpful.

Edit: And I just want everyone to know that I am not saying anyone is right or wrong. I just hope that, in the same way I can see the merits in your argument, you can see the merits in mine.