Bloodrager Dip: Id Rager with Dedication Emotional Focus


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Silver Crusade

Alex Mack wrote:

The main issue with single class ID rager is that almost no other archetypes stack with it.

And while feasible it probably doesn't hold up to Arcane or Abyssal Bloodlines in power.

Also most Emotional Focuses have useless abilities somewhere along the way...

Yeah, locking out the archetypes is a bit of a bummer, but it's an okay tradeoff.

Like have a lvl 15 Id Rager switch their Foci to Pride so all their Morale Bonuses are doubled (Why YES, I will take that +12 to STR and CON), even more so if you VMC and take Cavalier: Order of the Flame (stacking +2 to attack and damage for each enemy you drop) or have a Bard in the party.

And if you fail a check, just spend a swift to go back to your original Foci.

Silver Crusade

Hmm, just checked and Spelleater and Steelblooded would still stack, as well as Metamagic Rager (but why would you take that?) and Rageshaper.


Yeah not all are bared only the good ones... depending on the reading Urban might also work...

Pride actually isn't a legit emotional focus by RAW.

Grand Lodge

Rysky wrote:
Hmm, just checked and Spelleater and Steelblooded would still stack, as well as Metamagic Rager (but why would you take that?) and Rageshaper.

Oh man, I was debating whether or not I should swap my steelblooded archetype for this one for my combat maneuver character (it gives +1 CMB and CMB bonuses aren't easy to come by). I didn't think to check if they were compatible. I'd also pick dedication--conditional +2 to hit and when I'm planning on giving up my bloodline my attacks would then be doing 3d6 per punch. Iron Will is appreciated, but it's just an added bonus--monks already have great will saves.

The other option is obviously Anger for Power Attack and +2 str. I'm not too keen on losing the to hit from power attack and the extra 1 ac when raging (from the -2 dex).

Currently I only use my bloodline to grow claws, and as soon as I get an iterative attack I was going to retrain my bloodline to Celestial to make my attacks while raging pseudo-holy. But I'll just retrain to pick up this archetype instead. On a side note, it's stupid that it'd take 15 days to retrain into this one archetype, but I can train out of that one class level to a different class and back into that single bloodrager level for a total of 10 days.

Silver Crusade

Alex Mack wrote:

Yeah not all are bared only the good ones... depending on the reading Urban might also work...

Pride actually isn't a legit emotional focus by RAW.

Hmmm, good point, I just assumed they wouldn't stack becaus UB modifies Bloodrager but looking over Id there's nothing that modifies Bloodrage, just the Bloodline powers so it's very possible it would.

And overly-strictly by RAW yeah, and that's annoying, cause yes it gave you a specific list, but that specific list was all the Emotional Foci out at the time. So it wouldn't be too far to assume that they're allowed to take others that get realeased later.

So I really hope it gets FaQed to allow other Emotional Foci, not just for Pride but for all future Emotional Foci that come out.


Rysky wrote:

Hmmm, good point, I just assumed they wouldn't stack becaus UB modifies Bloodrager but looking over Id there's nothing that modifies Bloodrage, just the Bloodline powers so it's very possible it would.

And overly-strictly by RAW yeah, and that's annoying, cause yes it gave you a specific list, but that specific list was all the Emotional Foci out at the time. So it wouldn't be too far to assume that they're allowed to take others that get realeased later.

So I really hope it gets FaQed to allow other Emotional Foci, not just for Pride but for all future Emotional Foci that come out.

Never ever gonna fly in PFS...

I was debating a single classed ID rager and hoped to get something out of the Skill Focus via Eldritch Heritage but besides granting you natural attacks and ORc (which costs a standard action to activate) there isn't much fun to be had...

Silver Crusade

Alex Mack wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Hmmm, good point, I just assumed they wouldn't stack becaus UB modifies Bloodrager but looking over Id there's nothing that modifies Bloodrage, just the Bloodline powers so it's very possible it would.

And overly-strictly by RAW yeah, and that's annoying, cause yes it gave you a specific list, but that specific list was all the Emotional Foci out at the time. So it wouldn't be too far to assume that they're allowed to take others that get realeased later.

So I really hope it gets FaQed to allow other Emotional Foci, not just for Pride but for all future Emotional Foci that come out.

Never ever gonna fly in PFS...

I was debating a single classed ID rager and hoped to get something out of the Skill Focus via Eldritch Heritage but besides granting you natural attacks and ORc (which costs a standard action to activate) there isn't much fun to be had...

I dunno, PFS seems to have a better track record for clarifying stuff :3

(Disregard this if your still talking about PFS) If Eldritch Heritage interests you you might be better off taking VMC: Sorcerer, same feat cost and you don't need to bump up your CHA too much.


Rysky wrote:


(Disregard this if your still talking about PFS) If Eldritch Heritage interests you you might be better off taking VMC: Sorcerer, same feat cost and you don't need to bump up your CHA too much.

The main reason I was looking into Eldritch Heritage is that you get free skill focus making first level abilities rather accessible.

Silver Crusade

Alex Mack wrote:
Rysky wrote:


(Disregard this if your still talking about PFS) If Eldritch Heritage interests you you might be better off taking VMC: Sorcerer, same feat cost and you don't need to bump up your CHA too much.
The main reason I was looking into Eldritch Heritage is that you get free skill focus making first level abilities rather accessible.

True, but Id gets specific one so that does lock down what all heritages you can get.

If you're playing a Half-Elf you get it for free as well and can pick, and a Human can trade out their bonus feat for 3 Skill Focuses.

And then there's the breakdown.

  • VMC

    Trade feat at 3rd for 1st level Bloodline ability (that scales with you).

    Trade feat at 7th for 3rd level Bloodline ability (that scales with you).

    Trade feat at 11th for either Eschew Materials or a Bloodine bonus feat (so your not really giving up a feat).

    Trade feat at 15th for 9th level Bloodline ability (that scales with you).

    Trade feat at 19th for 15th level Bloodline ability (that scales with you).

    Feats traded = 5

    No CHA investment

  • Eldritch Heritage

    At 3rd you can take Edritch Heritage, need specifc Skill Focus, and a CHA of 13 (You're considered a Sorcerer of your level -2 for your Bloodline abilities).

    At 11th you can take Improved Eldritch Heritage, for 3rd or 9th, and can take twice, need a CHA of 15 (You're considered a Sorcerer of your level -2 for your Bloodline abilities).

    At 17th you can take Greater Edritch Heritage for 15th level ability, need rest of chain and 17 CHA (Bloodline abilities finally scale with your level).

    Feats needed = 4 (5 if you want all the abilities)

    Heavy CHA investment.

  • So each path has its pluses and minuses.


    Mark in his thread said that ID and Urban don't stack. Both modify spellcasting. Id by making it psychic and urban by adding to your spell list.

    I think Anger is the best to go for longer than a dip, though I have a hard time seeing Id go past 7-8 levels of the class. It gets you a skill focus for free, power attack for free, more str, iron will for free, extra rage feat for free and then at lv7 your swifts are now used cause it grants you a +4 to attack and damage that you can turn on during your turn and turn off at the end as to not have it help the enemies. And since it granted extra rage for free, helps you dip out.

    Dedication works well too up to lv7, fairly often bonus to attacking and free AC and Saves boost to allies.

    Hatred I think might be the best for a full class.
    lv7 you get a swift action to designate and get +2 to attacks and 1/2 level to damage. swift to have the cha aura that hurts enemies that hurt you. Lv12 is sneak attack that scales. And 17 is buff for party.

    Silver Crusade

    Chess Pwn wrote:
    Mark in his thread said that ID and Urban don't stack. Both modify spellcasting. Id by making it psychic and urban by adding to your spell list.

    That bites.

    *sigh*

    Archetype stacking is so confusing to me >_<


    Chess Pwn wrote:

    Mark in his thread said that ID and Urban don't stack. Both modify spellcasting. Id by making it psychic and urban by adding to your spell list.

    I think Anger is the best to go for longer than a dip, though I have a hard time seeing Id go past 7-8 levels of the class. It gets you a skill focus for free, power attack for free, more str, iron will for free, extra rage feat for free and then at lv7 your swifts are now used cause it grants you a +4 to attack and damage that you can turn on during your turn and turn off at the end as to not have it help the enemies. And since it granted extra rage for free, helps you dip out.

    Dedication works well too up to lv7, fairly often bonus to attacking and free AC and Saves boost to allies.

    Hatred I think might be the best for a full class.
    lv7 you get a swift action to designate and get +2 to attacks and 1/2 level to damage. swift to have the cha aura that hurts enemies that hurt you. Lv12 is sneak attack that scales. And 17 is buff for party.

    A good summary. The fact that Extra Rage is your only decent pick for Bonus feats means the archetype actually works pretty well with metamagic rager...

    Too bad that Urban and ID don't stack as that would also open up a dex based rager...


    I know, I would have loved it. It would have made good use of getting free weapon finesse.


    Rysky wrote:
    Chess Pwn wrote:
    Mark in his thread said that ID and Urban don't stack. Both modify spellcasting. Id by making it psychic and urban by adding to your spell list.

    That bites.

    *sigh*

    Archetype stacking is so confusing to me >_<

    Honestly in this instance I don't think it makes any sense. Afterall you are trading out DR to get those spells. And there is no conflict between the two abilities but whatever...


    Hi all,

    Nice to see that this thread has grown a bit. This might be a bit off topic, and potentially worthy of its own thread, but because people here have been so helpful, I thought I might link my initial plan for purchasing magic items in PFS . Any comments are welcome.

    The Other


    boots of speed are 12000, not 6000.


    Chess Pwn wrote:
    boots of speed are 12000, not 6000.

    Yeah, he would have had to create it. and you can't in PFS.


    Ah, thanks. That will switch things up.

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