faerie fire vs invisibility


Rules Questions


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faerie fire states, "Outlined creatures do not benefit from the concealment normally provided by darkness (though a 2nd-level or higher magical darkness effect functions normally), blur, displacement, invisibility, or similar effects."

does this mean that faerie fire prevents invisibility from having any effect whatsoever?


For purposes of combat, yes.

More generally, a creature that is invisible but outlined in fire could be easily stabbed with a sword, but it might be more difficult to interact with him in other ways.

For example, could you describe that person? What color is his hair and eyes? When he says something to you, is he lying?

I wouldn't mind fighting that person, but it would be hellishly hard to play poker with him.

The Exchange

Concealment has three basic effects:

1. miss chance
2. permits Stealth
3. prevents you being attacked directly (with total concealment)

That all gets cancelled by Faerie Fire.

Invisibility adds 20 to your Stealth checks (40 if you're not moving) - Faerie Fire doesn't cancel that, but Faerie Fire's own -20 to Stealth checks effectively negates it anyway... plus, without concealment, you still need some form of cover to initiate Stealth. But if you happen to be behind cover and not moving whilst under these two effects then I guess you'd still get +20 total bonus to your Stealth... it's just not going to be a situation which crops up much.


You cannot stealth while holding a light source extents to BEING the light source.

Liberty's Edge

This issue is precisely why I love the Faerie Fire spell. It's even better than Glitterdust for defeating invisibility. A creature with at-will invisibility can defeat Glitterdust by becoming invisible after being made all shiny - not so with Faerie Fire.


Theconiel wrote:
This issue is precisely why I love the Faerie Fire spell. It's even better than Glitterdust for defeating invisibility. A creature with at-will invisibility can defeat Glitterdust by becoming invisible after being made all shiny - not so with Faerie Fire.

That doesn't work either. You're still all shiny.

"A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, causing creatures to become blinded and visibly outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell."

Liberty's Edge

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Theconiel wrote:
This issue is precisely why I love the Faerie Fire spell. It's even better than Glitterdust for defeating invisibility. A creature with at-will invisibility can defeat Glitterdust by becoming invisible after being made all shiny - not so with Faerie Fire.

That doesn't work either. You're still all shiny.

"A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, causing creatures to become blinded and visibly outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell."

If I understand the rules correctly (and the rules debates on these forums), if Invisibility is cast after Glitterdust, the dust becomes invisible along with the caster, as if the dust wee clothing or some other attended object.


Theconiel wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Theconiel wrote:
This issue is precisely why I love the Faerie Fire spell. It's even better than Glitterdust for defeating invisibility. A creature with at-will invisibility can defeat Glitterdust by becoming invisible after being made all shiny - not so with Faerie Fire.

That doesn't work either. You're still all shiny.

"A cloud of golden particles covers everyone and everything in the area, causing creatures to become blinded and visibly outlining invisible things for the duration of the spell."

If I understand the rules correctly (and the rules debates on these forums), if Invisibility is cast after Glitterdust, the dust becomes invisible along with the caster, as if the dust wee clothing or some other attended object.
CRB wrote:
Light, however, never becomes invisible, although a source of light can become so (thus, the effect is that of a light with no visible source).

So the Glitterdust is still a light source, so still visible.

The Exchange

Assuming the background light level is lower. But let's get back to faerie fire.

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