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I am playing a hunter, currently at level 6. I want to purchase a scroll of Reincarnate, assuming I can find a druid of at least 7th level willing to scribe one for me.
* The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)
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* The user must have the spell on her class list.
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* The user must have the requisite ability score.
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If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell's caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell's caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll's caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully.
Here's where my question comes in. Reincarnate is a fourth-level spell, so I cannot cast the spell until I reach level 10, but the caster level of the spell is 7. If I read the rules correctly, using the scroll now would force me to make a DC 8 caster level check (don't roll a 1). If I use the scroll after I reach level 7, I can use the scroll automatically, even though I cannot actually cast the spell until I reach level 10.
Yep, you can only cast the spell after making the caster level check, but it really won't matter in your case because reincarnate takes 10 minutes to cast so you won't be casting it in any kind of hurry; so even if you roll a natural 1 to cast it, you just need to try again.
You would have to make the caster level check at either the minimum for YOU to cast the spell, or the caster level of the scroll itself, whichever is higher.
The quoted rules reference your caster level, and the caster level of the scroll. There is no mention of what level you need to be to cast the spell in question.
It is useful to note that caster level checks, like skill checks, are not subject to automatic failure. If you can succeed by 'taking 1' you don't need to roll.
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And being a Ranger, might have a decent Charisma and thus a UMD?
I am playing a hunter (druid/ranger hybrid), not a ranger. I have 8 CHA, and UMD is not a class skill. I have no ranks in UMD, but I do not need UMD for a scroll of Reincarnate because the spell is on my class spell list. I do not need to emulate a class.
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You would have to make the caster level check at either the minimum for YOU to cast the spell, or the caster level of the scroll itself, whichever is higher.I thought that might be the rule, but I cannot find it. Can you cite the source?
There is some misinformation in this thread...
@You would have to make the caster level check at either the minimum for YOU to cast the spell, or the caster level of the scroll itself, whichever is higher.
- The level and class of the scroll user does not matter. What matters is if they are arcane or divine caster, their caster level, the scrolls caster level and whether the spell is on their list.
A hunter can buy a druid's scroll of Reincarnation which has a lower caster level than a hunter's scroll of Reincarnation and they would meet every metric required except possibly CL.
"The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)"
@It is useful to note that caster level checks, like skill checks, are not subject to automatic failure. If you can succeed by 'taking 1' you don't need to roll.
- "A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers."
"Activate the Spell: Activating a scroll requires reading the spell from the scroll. The character must be able to see and read the writing on the scroll. Activating a scroll spell requires no material components or focus. (The creator of the scroll provided these when scribing the scroll.) Note that some spells are effective only when cast on an item or items. In such a case, the scroll user must provide the item when activating the spell. Activating a scroll spell is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be. Using a scroll is like casting a spell for purposes of arcane spell failure chance.
To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements.
The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his class.)
The user must have the spell on her class list.
The user must have the requisite ability score.
If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell's caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell's caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll's caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully. If she fails, she must make a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid a scroll mishap. A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers. Activating a scroll is a standard action (or the spell's casting time, whichever is longer) and it provokes attacks of opportunity exactly as casting a spell does. If the caster level check fails but no mishap occurs, the scroll is not expended."
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@Lorewalker:
So I was right about my ability to use a scroll of Reincarnate. If I tried right now (my caster level is 6), I would need to succeed at at DC 8 caster level check, assuming the scroll was scribed by a 7th level druid (or the druid made the scroll at CL 7). If I tried to use the scroll after I reach level 7, I would have no problem.
If I acquired a scroll of Reincarnate made by a hunter, then I would have to make a DC 11 caster level check, unless I were level 10 or higher.
Assuming all scrolls were made at minimum caster level, you are correct.
@Lorewalker.
Good catch, I missed that in the magic section.
I must have glossed over it as I couldn't see it in any of the other sections requiring caster level checks (like spell resistance).