Protector Familiar Archetype and replacement timing


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Generally speaking archetype alternate abilities are gained at the level the standard ability would be gained at. However, the protector familiar archetype appears to be an exception to that rule.

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At 5th level, whenever a protector or its master takes hit point damage, as long as the protector and its master are touching, its master can choose to split the damage evenly between them as if using shield other.

This ability replaces deliver touch spells and speak with animals of its kind.

Deliver touch spells is gained at level 3 and speak with animals at level 7. The level 5 ability speak with master is not replaced.

So does this mean that the familiar has deliver touch spells at levels 3 and 4 and then loses it at level 5, or does it never gain the ability in the first place?

Can someone point to a rule that explicitly states how it works? It doesn't appear to be in the Familiar Folio.


no, an archetype trades all the abilities away at lv1. So it's saying your familiar would remove the Deliver touch spells and speak with animals, you never see them for your familiar. But your familiar has the replacement abilities.

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