Could a cloak of the crusader be used as a flag/banner for the flag bearer feat? The banner acts a flag, would that also be usable?
Reason for the question is tying the flag/banner to a polearm or not.
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Go to flag bearer
Go to flag
Go to banner
I'd have to say no. Flag Bearer specifies not just a flag but a flag showing the symbol of your clan, house, or party; a Cloak of the Crusader shows the symbol of a religion.
It's not an idle distinction, since the benefits of Flag Bearer accrue to anyone who shares that allegiance---"anyone of my religion" is apparently too broad.
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Could a cloak of the crusader be used as a flag/banner for the flag bearer feat? The banner acts a flag, would that also be usable?
Reason for the question is tying the flag/banner to a polearm or not.
Go to cloak of the crusader
Go to flag bearer
Go to flag
Go to banner
I think the key part of the rules for the cloak is :
" If the wearer has the banner class feature, she can use this battle standard as her banner"So, I'd rule that IF you have the banner class feature (which you can get with a 1 level dip into the appropriate Cavalier Archetype) then you can use the flag as a banner. Otherwise, not
I agree that if you have the banner class feature you can use the cloak's banner with it, but I'm not sure that makes it qualify for Flag Bearer.
Also, re tying the flag/banner to a polearm: I don't think you can tie the banner to a polearm, as it's illusory, and if you tie the cloak to one you're not wearing it and hence can't generate the illusory banner. This is probably not key to its use, though.
No, only because the flagbearer feat has more stringent requirements that the cavalier banner class ability. That which works for the banner class ability my not work for the flagbearer feat.
I agree that if you have the banner class feature you can use the cloak's banner with it, but I'm not sure that makes it qualify for Flag Bearer.
Also, re tying the flag/banner to a polearm: I don't think you can tie the banner to a polearm, as it's illusory, and if you tie the cloak to one you're not wearing it and hence can't generate the illusory banner. This is probably not key to its use, though.
My goals was to keep it out of my hand(s). either tie it to a polearm like banner of ancient kings (works perfectly with flagbearer) or have it as a virtual flag projected by the cloak.
Also the entry for banner says it could be tied to a polearm and is a flag.
A banner in general can be tied to a polearm; that's because a banner is generally made of matter. You can't tie an illusory banner (like the one created by Cloak of the Crusader) to anything. Again, I don't think this really affects whether you can use it as you want to.
BTW the UE entry for "banner" says "This is a banner, flag, or pennant" not "This is a flag" so I wouldn't go basing much on that. But I don't think anyone's trying to argue that this particular banner isn't a flag; it's just that it's a flag for a whole religion, which doesn't work with Flagbearer. That's the only part that breaks, but it's enough.
You could always ask your GM to allow it anyway, of course, outside PFS.