Hidden Blade at level 1


Rules Questions


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Shouldn't the Hidden Blade ability of the Knife Master rogue archetype say "(minimum +1)"? All other class abilities with similar wording say that, which leads me to believe it was omitted by mistake. Otherwise, you're giving up a 1st-level ability for an archetype ability that does nothing for you at level 1.


It undoubtedly should.


Well, maybe not, i swear i keep coming across abilities that dont say (minimum +1) that I really wish did, i'll try to retrace my browsing to find some as examples. But ive looked at A LOT of pages lately.

But out of sheer rogue love:

Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:
It undoubtedly should.

Edit: By sheer coincidence (I wasnt looking) i stumbled across yet another example of this: False Medium - Dim the Lights.

I'd just stick to RAW on this one, it's only going to make a difference for one level anyway, unless you're dipping, in which case that +1 bonus isn't going to help that much with whatever you're dipping for.


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Has there been any clarification made on this for PFS? If not, where do I posit the question so that an official PFS clarification can be made?


Campaign Clarifications? not sure it will help you, as the rules are clear and PFS rarely flat out changes the rules in this way. I'm not sure you'll get much support for an FAQ which is your only other real option.

edit:link added


Ravingdork wrote:
Has there been any clarification made on this for PFS? If not, where do I posit the question so that an official PFS clarification can be made?

Given that this isnt unique to the knife master archetype and the rules state you simply round down to 0 I doubt this needs a clarification...

Buuuut if you're not convinced then I cant blame you for looking.

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Does it do a lot for you at level 2 or something?

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Merged threads. Please don't spam the same topic multiple times.


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Let me make this abundantly clear: I didn't spam anything.

I made this thread in the Rules Forum of the Pathfinder RPG. Got a few opinions and thoughts on it and, since it was for a PFS character I'm working on, it was suggested that I check the PFS areas of the site for the answer.

So I went over to the PFS General Discussion forum and posited the question there.

At which point I guess the thread got moved, people started freaking out and accusing me of spamming, and then the threads got merged.

For those of you who tried to help rather than slinging accusatory remarks, thank you.


Interestingly, Chris removed the message that had the links to a couple of examples of this happening in other classes and archetypes.

The gist of both threads is that it happens much more frequently than your "All other class abilities with similar wording" statement would suggest, and the RAW isnt a mistake. It's actually fairly common as far as these things go, the examples I posted for reference was another rogue archetype and a barbarian archetype, although there are more.

Hope I was at least able to clarify it for you before the threads got merged and neatened.

PS: I must apologize for my remark about you posting multiple threads on the same subject, because of your thread being moved it did look suspicious.

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