Switching, Dropping and Drawing Weapons in a Full Attack


Rules Questions


Created a human Inquisitor who wields a bastard sword and a dagger in either hand (basically a rip-off of the Abyss Watchers). I have a few questions regarding full-round attacks as part of the Two Weapon Fighting feat:

1) Can I attack with my off-hand dagger, drop it, two-hand my bastard sword, then use it to perform my second attack? I'm not sure if this goes against the rules of Two Weapon Fighting, but I can't think of why I wouldn't be able to. DM discretion? Could also utilize a weapon cord to keep the dagger hanging from my wrist.

2) Can I draw a dagger using a spring-loaded wrist sheath during my full-round attack (inbetween attacks)?

3) Assuming I have a brace of daggers on my body, using the Quick Draw feat, can I draw a dagger with either hand and throw them both as my Two Weapon Fighting full-round attack?

Sorry for asking questions about rules that are probably pretty simple, but this is only my second Pathfinder character and I'm still a little unclear on some stuff.

Thanks

Grand Lodge

1 No. The handedness FAQ in TWF and armor spikes means you already used your off hand with your bastard sword.

2. Yes. The SLWS is a swift action which can be used between attacks.

3. Yes.

On a side note. Weapon cords are now move action to recover.


1) You can not use a bastard sword for TWF if you can't use it as a one-handed weapon (just like how you can't use TWF with a greatsword). However, a DM may let you perform your regular attack and off-hand attack normally and then after that: drop your off-hand weapon and let you 2-hand the "main" weapon for your last attack (assuming you can perform 2 attack because of your BAB being +6 or more). Please note that you still retain any penalties from TWF for the last attack as well.
Also: You dropped your dagger. You do no longer have it in hand. A weapon cord requires a move action to retreive a weapon, meaning that it can not be used the same round as you make a full attack action.

2) Yes, as it's a Swift action which can be used together with a full round action the same round (just like a free action).

3) Yes. You can also apply Rapid Shot for a cumelative of -4 to-hit and gain extra attacks from both feats.

Also, remember: You don't need TWF to be able to fight with two different weapons during one full attack action. It's only when you make more attacks than you normally can that the TWF penalty applies (and that's when you want the TWF feat). For example: If your BAB is +6 (or higher) you can start with a dagger and drop it to 2-hand your bastard sword.


Rub-Eta wrote:

1) You can not use a bastard sword for TWF if you can't use it as a one-handed weapon (just like how you can't use TWF with a greatsword). However, a DM may let you perform your regular attack and off-hand attack normally and then after that: drop your off-hand weapon and let you 2-hand the "main" weapon for your last attack (assuming you can perform 2 attack because of your BAB being +6 or more). Please note that you still retain any penalties from TWF for the last attack as well.

Also: You dropped your dagger. You do no longer have it in hand. A weapon cord requires a move action to retreive a weapon, meaning that it can not be used the same round as you make a full attack action.

2) Yes, as it's a Swift action which can be used together with a full round action the same round (just like a free action).

3) Yes. You can also apply Rapid Shot for a cumelative of -4 to-hit and gain extra attacks from both feats.

Also, remember: You don't need TWF to be able to fight with two different weapons during one full attack action. It's only when you make more attacks than you normally can that the TWF penalty applies (and that's when you want the TWF feat). For example: If your BAB is +6 (or higher) you can start with a dagger and drop it to 2-hand your bastard sword.

He wants to use effectively a three hand version of two weapon fighting, fighting the dagger with his off hand and then using the off hand to get two handed damage on the bastard sword. getting it's standard iteratives. Which I would not let fly on my table.


As I said, just like how you can't TWF with a greatsword.


You can TWF with a Greatsword, you just need 2 levels of Barbarian so you can wield it 1 handed (or was it 3 levels? Can't remember when they get Jountgrip)


Thanks for the replies everyone!

Didn't expect the '3 hand attack' to fly, but wanted to check. My DM has let me have exotic weapon profficiency (bastard sword) for free, as it's the favoured weapon of my deity. So I'm able to one hand it and use with TWF.

We're starting at level 5, so I don't have enough BAB for multiple attacks. I'd only get one extra from TWF for now.

I realise it'd probably be more optimal to drop TWF and use a two-hander, but I'm just doing it this way for fluff reasons.


Given that you're not having full BAB, is it really worth it to drop by two just to add some dagger plus half strength bonus damage?


No. That's what I mean. I know it's not optimal. I fully understand it'd be better to just two-hand a greatsword or something. Had enough of hitting things as hard as I can with the biggest weapon I can use with my Barbarian.

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