Unusable magic item


Rules Questions


Funny thing?

According to the list, no eidolon forms possess the 'body' item slot:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items#table-magic-item-slots-for-animals

So... this item is useless?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/h-l/harne ss-eidolon-anchoring


(1) What is the source of that table?

(2) Assuming that the table is from a legitimate source, does it apply to Eidolons?

Liberty's Edge

The table is from Animal Archive, and no it doesn't apply to Eidolons.


CBDunkerson wrote:
The table is from Animal Archive, and no it doesn't apply to Eidolons.

Thank you. I suspected it was from the Animal Archive, but I don't have that book and I couldn't find a citation on that d20pfsrd page. So it sounds like the item isn't useless.


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From what I remember Eidolons have all the same slots as their masters regardless of form and the slots are shared, so if one has a body item, the other can't.


CBDunkerson wrote:
The table is from Animal Archive, and no it doesn't apply to Eidolons.

Was linked to that page from another forum post discussing item slots and eidolons and thought it made sense to apply the same rules as animals. But ok, I'm gonna pop a robe and hat on my lion-like eidolon! ;)

Thanks!

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The only official rule is: "In addition, magic items interfere with the summoner's connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to use a magic item."

Thus, it essentially comes down to GM decision on what items work with the eidolon body type. IF the eidolon is shaped exactly like one of the creatures from the animal archive table then using that list of item slots would be reasonable. However, eidolons can be shaped like anything. Just how different from a lion IS your "lion-like" eidolon?

In any case, the fact that any item slot used by the eidolon has to be given up by the summoner makes magic items on eidolons a niche application at best.


That page is gone. I think they wisely got rid of that because it conflicts with other Pathfinder rules.

Not allowing the summoner to wear rings because his eidolon is wearing metal claw enhancers is another paradox the game does not need.


http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lecb?Animal-Companions-and-Magic-Item-Slots

Wild Life, Part Two wrote:

Animal Item Slots
Although it's easy to imagine an animal benefiting from magic equipment beyond a simple saddle and a suit of barding, fitting a mount's physiology to the list of item slots available to characters is not an easy task. Try the following variant list of item slots for quadruped animals (and other monsters when appropriate).
* One skull cap or helm
* One pair of lenses or goggles
* One collar
* One saddle blanket or vest
* One saddle or jacket
* One belt or strap worn in front of or over the haunches
* One pectoral or harness worn over the chest or shoulders
* One pair foreleg bracers
* One pair of foreleg shoes or mitts -- hoofed creatures wear shoes and creatures with paws wear mitts
* Two rings -- creatures with toes wear rings on the toes and creatures with hooves wear "rings" just above fore hooves
* One pair of hind leg shoes or mitts -- hoofed creatures wear shoes and creatures with paws wear mitts

If you just want to be really conservative you could always pay twice the normal cost for an item to make it "slotless". I'd propose that most animals can clearly wear at least collars though.

I, on the other hand, would rule it like an earring, tail ring, or toe ring. It's an exotic body slot item that can only be placed on that one body slot. You are only allowed one toe ring per foot. One earring per ear. One tail ring per tail. If it wraps around the tail in a spiral it is still a tail ring for all rules.

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Goth Guru wrote:

That page is gone. I think they wisely got rid of that because it conflicts with other Pathfinder rules.

Not allowing the summoner to wear rings because his eidolon is wearing metal claw enhancers is another paradox the game does not need.

From the context it seems like you are saying that the page saying eidolons share item slots with their summoner is gone. If so... that isn't the case.

Original summoner
Unchained Summoner

The 'Link' ability of both eidolon versions still contains the text I quoted in my prior note. Summoners and their eidolons share item slots.


Scarab Sages **** Flutter
For what they can wear in society see Here.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ql8b&page=2?Druids-Log-Animal-companions#6 1

Liberty's Edge

skyberten wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
The table is from Animal Archive, and no it doesn't apply to Eidolons.

Was linked to that page from another forum post discussing item slots and eidolons and thought it made sense to apply the same rules as animals. But ok, I'm gonna pop a robe and hat on my lion-like eidolon! ;)

Thanks!

Sharing body slot isn't the same thing as sharing shape.

A halfling can't wear a human sized armor, a quadruped eidolon can't wear a robe made for a biped and so on.
What can be used by a eidolon with a non humanoid body shape should be judged by the GM.

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