Dwarf Slayer - Heavy Armor or Not?


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Going build & run a Dwarf (standard dwarf with Axe and shield) Slayer in PFS. Plan is to make him a tank and a trap spotter/disabler.

What I need advice for -
Thinking about getting him some heavy armor since it'll have little to no effect with him. Just trying to decide how to go about getting this heavy armor or if I even should.

Do I grab a feat for Heavy Armor?
At moment I'm against this as I've got more feats to pick then I have spots for the feats.

Take a level of Fighter?
Leaning towards this as it gives me a extra Feat slot & Heavy armor.

Grab some other class or a fighter archetype that gives me heavy armor?
Thought about Warpriest as it boosts my Will save and gives me some nice utility while just loosing +1 BAB and +1 HP

or Do I just forget the Heavy Armor and make do with Med Armor & Shield?

Liberty's Edge

If you have any Ranger Combat Style Feats/Talents (as most Slayers do, and you mentioned needing more Feats, so I'm betting you have), they are incompatible with heavy armor, and this is a terrible plan.

If you don't have those...why not? And what did you spend your Talents on? I'm curious.


Mithral heavy armor will count as medium for the purposes of Style Feats working.


BadBird wrote:
Mithral heavy armor will count as medium for the purposes of Style Feats working.

Mithral heavy armor is also 12k which is a lot in PFS. I wouldn't do it.


Well, mithral full plate +1 is 12,500 for 10AC. Breastplate +4 is 16,200 for 10AC. Before 10AC, breastplate is cheaper. After 10AC, breastplate is way more expensive. So it depends on how far you want to go with armor.

Sovereign Court

BadBird wrote:
Well, mithral full plate +1 is 12,500 for 10AC. Breastplate +4 is 16,200 for 10AC. Before 10AC, breastplate is cheaper. After 10AC, breastplate is way more expensive. So it depends on how far you want to go with armor.

Mithral full plate +1 is only 11.5k.

Getting mithil heavy armor is +9k, 1.5k for full plate, and +1k for the +1 enchantment.

Also - a +4 breastplate is technically 16.35k. You forgot to include the masterwork cost.

In PFS it's a solid choice if you can wait to level 8ish. If you plan on the upgrade, even if you already have a +3 breastplate, it'd be marginally cheaper to sell it and replace it with the mithril full plate +1 than upgrading it to +4. (Though I'd probably keep it at +1 until you can afford the mithril.) Not to mention that every additional upgrade would be far cheaper.

Though - using the mithril full plate does require Heavy Armor prof. of course.

Other minor note - in PFS everyone has access to getting +1 mithril full plate, while a +4 breastplate would require sufficient Fame. (no fame min for special materials or for +1)


I completely forgot about the Ranger Styles require NO heavy armor. So I'm stuck in Med Armor.

Did think I had found a work around, by saving up my gold, I thought I could purchase a Mithral Full Plate of Speed. Till I found I needed 40 fame to grab it. :(

Need a little clarification on this

Ultimate Equipment wrote:
Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor’s check penalty on all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving.

If I do go with a Mithral Full Plate, I do understand I need to have the heavy armor proficiency to wear it BUT does it count as Medium Armor for the Rangers Style?

Character Plan -
Going with the Weapon and Shield Ranger Style (Shield Bash, Shield Bull Rush, Cornugon Smash, etc).
For enchanting, I'm planning on working on my Dwarven Maulaxe and Heavy Spiked Shield first. Then sometime after 7th level make the jump for whatever I end up doing for my armor.

Liberty's Edge

Matt2VK wrote:
If I do go with a Mithral Full Plate, I do understand I need to have the heavy armor proficiency to wear it BUT does it count as Medium Armor for the Rangers Style?

It does, though you'll need Proficiency.


Charon's Little Helper wrote:
BadBird wrote:
Well, mithral full plate +1 is 12,500 for 10AC. Breastplate +4 is 16,200 for 10AC. Before 10AC, breastplate is cheaper. After 10AC, breastplate is way more expensive. So it depends on how far you want to go with armor.

Mithral full plate +1 is only 11.5k.

Getting mithil heavy armor is +9k, 1.5k for full plate, and +1k for the +1 enchantment.

Also - a +4 breastplate is technically 16.35k. You forgot to include the masterwork cost.

Well, that's what I get for doing intoxicated basic maths. Really I just wanted to advocate for a heavy-metal Slayer Dwarf.


Actually, the slayer lacks the text stating that the ranger combat feats only function in medium armor.
So, you're good to go with your heavy-metal Slayer Dwarf. Just make sure his axe is also a flaming guitar.


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bigrig107 wrote:

Actually, the slayer lacks the text stating that the ranger combat feats only function in medium armor.

So, you're good to go with your heavy-metal Slayer Dwarf. Just make sure his axe is also a flaming guitar.

Because it doesn't need the text as it is part of the combat style rules, which Paizo confirmed. If you gain a class feature, you gain all the restrictions associated with that class feature baring specific exception.

Sovereign Court

Also of note - if you ARE going to dip a level in fighter (I'd probably just burn a feat for Heavy Armor Prof - but it's not a bad dip) make it the first level so that you can take the Defender of the Society trait.


Still undecided on what exactly I'll do. Still a bit in the future.

I will probably end up picking up a level (or more) of Warpriest starting at 8th level. That would give me access to heavy armor, Blessings, Feat: Weapon Focus, some Cleric Spells, and Scared Weapon Damage. All at the cost of 1 BAB and continuing up the Slayer class progression.


Warpriest can be an awesome 2+ level multiclass with swift-action Divine Favor and Fate's Favored. On the other hand, delaying Slayer is really painful due to style feat delay and Study being a move action until 7.


Matt2VK wrote:

Going build & run a Dwarf (standard dwarf with Axe and shield) Slayer in PFS. Plan is to make him a tank and a trap spotter/disabler.

What I need advice for -
Thinking about getting him some heavy armor since it'll have little to no effect with him. Just trying to decide how to go about getting this heavy armor or if I even should.

Do I grab a feat for Heavy Armor?
At moment I'm against this as I've got more feats to pick then I have spots for the feats.

Take a level of Fighter?
Leaning towards this as it gives me a extra Feat slot & Heavy armor.

Grab some other class or a fighter archetype that gives me heavy armor?
Thought about Warpriest as it boosts my Will save and gives me some nice utility while just loosing +1 BAB and +1 HP

or Do I just forget the Heavy Armor and make do with Med Armor & Shield?

To be honest, the Heavy Armor proficiency feat can be acquired through taking the Combat Training Rogue Talent, which gives you a free Combat Feat that can be used for Proficiency, so it's not that big of an investment on the Slayer's behalf, and doesn't require you to delay Slayer progression. You probably can't take it until 4th level, as you'll use your first talent on Ranger Style feats, but until that point you probably won't come across any Heavy Armor you'll actually want, as it's a fairly expensive investment pre-4th.

Additionally, if Medium Armor is a requirement, Mithril Heavy Armor will allow you to circumvent that, and is a good investment anyway for lowering ACP and increasing MDB, issues which plague Heavy Armor.

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