PFS legal options for whip made from special materials?

[N N 959]

Is there any special material that would benefit a whip's construction? I'm only seeing Griffon Mane as even possible, but that is not that useful of a material for a whip.

[Imbicatus]

Scorpion Whip would benefit from any weapon material, as the metal bits could be replaced.

I don't really see a standard whip benefiting though.

[Ember Flameheart]

whip of spiders is always impressive (at least it is for me...though probably not what you were looking for). On a wand it would be pricy though - but still impressive!

[GreyYeti]

Darkleaf Cloth might work, depending on the fact if you consider whips to be made of leather.

[Duncan7291]

As a personal preference, I tend to enjoy using wet noodles as whip materials.

[N N 959]

Nils Janson wrote:

Darkleaf Cloth might work, depending on the fact if you consider whips to be made of leather.

You know, I looked at that originally, but prematurely dismissed it because the description talks primarily about armor. But I think you're right. Darkleaf should work without fear of table variation nixing it.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

I can't think of a single valid material to use.

[zefig]

Well, when Paizo gets around to starting up terry cloth, the grand lodge locker rooms are going to become a much more dangerous place.

[FLite]

You could go with a stinging whip

It is a whip made out of metal that gives a bonus to trip/disarm when a cleric of calistria channels through it.

Of course, you can just use it normally without channeling, and since it is "made from braids of metallic wire" it should qualify for all metals.

[Ascalaphus]

Jared Thaler wrote:

You could go with a stinging whip

It is a whip made out of metal that gives a bonus to trip/disarm when a cleric of calistria channels through it.

Of course, you can just use it normally without channeling, and since it is "made from braids of metallic wire" it should qualify for all metals.

I knew that thing existed, but couldn't find it. Thanks for digging that up.

This is the obscure trick item that makes it work.

[N N 959]

So it's legal for someone who is not a worshiper and does not have a channel ability to buy this whip? And since it's metallic, it could even be made from adamantine, correct?

[FLite]

correct

[Ascalaphus]

I'm not sure it could be enchanted as a weapon though, because it sounds like specific object. [PFS]

['Sani]

I'm not even sure the stinging whip counts as a weapon. It doesn't have any damage listed, only the combat maneuver bonus it gives.

[BartonOliver]

'Sani wrote:

I'm not even sure the stinging whip counts as a weapon. It doesn't have any damage listed, only the combat maneuver bonus it gives.

It's listed as a Channel Focus not a weapon. Which at best is going to lead to some table variation.

[Ferious Thune]

Lau: It is not a magic item. It is mundane. So I don't think the rules against enchanting specific magic items apply.

Joe and 'Sani: if it isn't a weapon, then how do you make a trip combat maneuver check with it? The description says three times that it is a whip. I think it's safe to assume that it is a whip.

My question is, does it actually say anywhere that the Channel foci ability is limited to Calistria worshippers? The description doesn't, and channel foci are not usually limited by deity. Then again, the cost to get the bonus is pretty high, anyway, so that aspect of the item isn't really the appeal.

[N N 959]

'Sani wrote:

I'm not even sure the stinging whip counts as a weapon. It doesn't have any damage listed, only the combat maneuver bonus it gives.

The description explicitly states it is a whip.

Faiths of Balance wrote:

Stinging Whip: This whip is made from braids of metallic wire. When it is activated, the wielder can expend the power within it to gain a sacred (if activated with positive energy) or profane (if activated with negative energy) bonus on her next disarm or trip combat maneuver with the whip. This bonus is equal to the number of dice of the activating cleric’s channel energy ability. The whip remains charged until its magic is used or 1 hour has passed.

Channel Foci are not magical.

Faiths of Balance wrote:

A channel focus ( first introduced in Path nder Player Companion: Adventurer’s Armory) is a garment or other object that incorporates a holy symbol of a particular faith and counts as a divine focus of that faith. By spending a use of channel energy, a cleric (or other character with that ability) can trigger a special ability of the item. The spent channel has no e ect except to activate the channel focus. A channel focus can be reused many times. When not activated, the focus has no magical aura or abilities. Unless otherwise stated, an activated channel focus can be used by any member of the indicated faith, even if he wasn’t the one who activated it.

This table entry says the indicated Faith is Calistra. That tells me only her faithful can activate it as a channel focus, but it otherwise it is just a whip.

[Renata Maclean]

If it's not a whip, you can't make a disarm or trip combat maneuver with it, and therefore the bonus is irrelevant. Therefore it has to function as a whip to give its bonus

[BartonOliver]

When I sat it's listed as a Channel Foci not a weapon, I'm simply stating a fact. I have no problem allowing it to be a weapon that uses the stats of a whip. I'm simply advising that there can be later problems with table variation - can it be enchanted? can it masterworked? can it be used as a weapon? is it an improvised weapon (which you could still use to make combat maneuvers? I think it is a whip with some added abilities - though I'm not sure on the enchanting part - probably as it's actually mundane and named not magical.

Faiths of Balance pg.25, Channe Foci wrote:

Unless otherwise stated, an activated channel focus can be used by any member of the indicated faith, even if he wasn’t the one who activated it.

To get the bonus you'd have to be a Calistirian - though as far as I can tell a Calistiran does not need to be the person to put the channel into the whip.

[Ferious Thune]

Thanks Joe. That quote is what I was looking for.

[TheFlyingPhoton]

Whips are made of leather, so get one made of dragon hide.

[Clank Clank]

Just slap enhancement bonuses on it to make it count as Cold Iron/Silver (+3) then Adamantine (+4). That's what I did with my whip based character. I don't see any real useful special material to make a whip out of, which is almost a blessing as it saves you a spot of gold!

[N N 959]

If you think about it, it's actually cheaper to do it the other way around. Make it out of Ad for 3k and then you don't need to go to +4. The other advantage is that it would be very difficult to sunder. It would also be useful against things with hardness.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

I've seen whips made out of chainmail. There's no reason whips can't be made out of either leather or metal.

[Kitty Catoblepas]

N N 959 wrote:

If you think about it, it's actually cheaper to do it the other way around. Make it out of Ad for 3k and then you don't need to go to +4. The other advantage is that it would be very difficult to sunder. It would also be useful against things with hardness.

That leads to an interesting situation where you could tear off someone's Full Plate like it was tissue paper, but couldn't hurt someone inside of Leather Armor.

"Disrobing Whip"

[Katisha]

Kitty Catoblepas wrote:

N N 959 wrote:

If you think about it, it's actually cheaper to do it the other way around. Make it out of Ad for 3k and then you don't need to go to +4. The other advantage is that it would be very difficult to sunder. It would also be useful against things with hardness.

That leads to an interesting situation where you could tear off someone's Full Plate like it was tissue paper, but couldn't hurt someone inside of Leather Armor.

"Disrobing Whip"

???

what?
can you go into greater detail on this? You got my interest...

[Wei Ji the Learner]

SOLD!

[Cevah]

Kitty Catoblepas wrote:

N N 959 wrote:

If you think about it, it's actually cheaper to do it the other way around. Make it out of Ad for 3k and then you don't need to go to +4. The other advantage is that it would be very difficult to sunder. It would also be useful against things with hardness.

That leads to an interesting situation where you could tear off someone's Full Plate like it was tissue paper, but couldn't hurt someone inside of Leather Armor.

"Disrobing Whip"

Some bards demonstrating the "Disrobing Whip"

/cevah

[FLite]

Katisha wrote:

Kitty Catoblepas wrote:

N N 959 wrote:

If you think about it, it's actually cheaper to do it the other way around. Make it out of Ad for 3k and then you don't need to go to +4. The other advantage is that it would be very difficult to sunder. It would also be useful against things with hardness.

That leads to an interesting situation where you could tear off someone's Full Plate like it was tissue paper, but couldn't hurt someone inside of Leather Armor.

"Disrobing Whip"

???

what?
can you go into greater detail on this? You got my interest...

Whip: A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher.

Adamantine: Weapons fashioned from adamantine have a natural ability to bypass hardness when sundering weapons or attacking objects, ignoring hardness less than 20.

So you could sunder plate mail, ignoring it's hardness. But someone in leather armor would take no damage from your whip. (Well, until you sundered the armor...)

Hmm... Sunder warpriest of Calistria...

[Wei Ji the Learner]

Jared Thaler wrote:

Whip: A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher.

Adamantine: Weapons fashioned from adamantine have a natural ability to bypass hardness when sundering weapons or attacking objects, ignoring hardness less than 20.

So you could sunder plate mail, ignoring it's hardness. But someone in leather armor would take no damage from your whip. (Well, until you sundered the armor...)

Hmm... Sunder warpriest of Calistria...

Or would that be a tsundere warpriest of Calistria?

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

Why can't we have both?

[Muser]

Eh, dandere is the patrician choice. Tsundere is so 90's.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

So having a tsundere Sunder warpriest of the Savored Sting is something certainly not sought?