Can I replaced banished cards with cards from AD-2?


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The guide to organized play is less than clear on this point.

The Season 0 guide says:

PSACG Guide v1.2 p7 wrote:
After upgrading your deck, when rebuilding the rest of your character deck, choose extra cards, if needed, from your Class Deck. Use the Starting Character rules, which are similar to the standard game rules.

The Starting Characters section indicates you use cards with the Basic trait and the B set indicator, followed by cards without the Basic trait with the B set indicator. This section was followed by another section titled Higher-Level Characters, which indicated if starting a character at adventure 3 or higher, you could use cards with an indicator of the adventure number minus 2.

A lengthy thread discussed whether this meant a character playing adventure 3 or higher could replace a banished card with a card from the adventure number minus 2. Tanis in that thread confirmed this was the case. Her post concluded

Tanis wrote:
Apparently this will be clarified in the next version of the Guide.

I took this to mean the next guide would clearly confirm her ruling.

Instead, the guides for Season 1 and Season 2 have very similar text about starting characters, and say:

PSACG Guide version 2 and 3 wrote:
After upgrading your deck, when rebuilding the rest of your character deck, choose extra cards, if needed, from your Class Deck. Follow the hierarchy in the “New Characters” section...

skizzerz and others take the explicit reference to "hierarchy" to indicate a change in the ruling, so that when playing any adventure, you must replace a banished card with a Basic card if you have one.

Is this the correct interpretation, or is it another case of "holy over-parsing, Batman"? Can we get an official ruling, please?

Personally, I think it would be unfortunate to saddle a character playing adventure 5 or 6 with a Basic card simply because they banished a card.


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Over-parsing is my middle name.


Bumping this to try to get official attention. The answer significantly impacts organized play.

Tanis? Keith?

Pathfinder ACG Developer

Sorry, I don't work on the guide. Tanis or Vic can help you.

I remember digging up an answer for an S&S run and concluding it could be replaced with AD-2, quite probably Tanis's confirmation above. But that was before the new guide. I'd suspect it was intended to be fixed, but was not.


We WERE playing as AD-2 until a couple weeks ago when ELIANDRA came back to organized play and pointed out that it was BASIC according to the Season 2 guide. >_< THANKS ELIANDRA.

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It's Theryon's fault. He told me.

Grand Lodge

That's because the PFS didn't change the guide like Tanis wanted!

I'm just a messenger … with a Venomous Heavy Crossbow.

I'm sure that Eliandra and I can threaten … err … convince the right people to get an update while we're in Seattle.

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Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'm just a messenger … with a Venomous Heavy Crossbow.

And I have to play by the rules, or they take away my paladin powers. Would you want to give up immunity to fear and disease and the ability to heal yourself as a swift action? Not to mention charisma to saves? I don't think you would.

Grand Lodge

Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'm just a messenger … with a Venomous Heavy Crossbow.
And I have to play by the rules, or they take away my paladin powers. Would you want to give up immunity to fear and disease and the ability to heal yourself as a swift action? Not to mention charisma to saves? I don't think you would.

It's just a soul. You weren't using it for much anyway.

You're speaking to a Succubus. I already have most of those powers and do I look like I'm burdened with a conscience? I think not!


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Theryon Stormrune wrote:
Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'm just a messenger … with a Venomous Heavy Crossbow.
And I have to play by the rules, or they take away my paladin powers. Would you want to give up immunity to fear and disease and the ability to heal yourself as a swift action? Not to mention charisma to saves? I don't think you would.

It's just a soul. You weren't using it for much anyway.

You're speaking to a Succubus. I already have most of those powers and do I look like I'm burdened with a conscience? I think not!

But how does one grapple with the reality that not everyone operates the same way?

Grand Lodge

skizzerz wrote:
Theryon Stormrune wrote:
Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
Theryon Stormrune wrote:
I'm just a messenger … with a Venomous Heavy Crossbow.
And I have to play by the rules, or they take away my paladin powers. Would you want to give up immunity to fear and disease and the ability to heal yourself as a swift action? Not to mention charisma to saves? I don't think you would.

It's just a soul. You weren't using it for much anyway.

You're speaking to a Succubus. I already have most of those powers and do I look like I'm burdened with a conscience? I think not!

But how does one grapple with the reality that not everyone operates the same way?

All depends if you're grappling with reality or just a succubus ...

;-)


When I saw so many posts on this thread, I was excited that we had an answer. Y'all fooled me.

Tanis?

Adventure Card Game Designer

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This will be clarified in the upcoming upcoming version of the Guide to reflect what I said before.

Those responsible have been sackedtickled.

(Sorry about that.)

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And the Flenta players did collectively breathe a sigh of relief.

Grand Lodge

Now that those responsible have been sacked tickled flayed, you can play it as AD-2 now, Rebel.

(Never underestimate the power of flayingtickling!)


Theryon Stormrune wrote:

Now that those responsible have been sacked tickled flayed, you can play it as AD-2 now, Rebel.

(Never underestimate the power of flayingtickling!)

Whoooooooooooooo!

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