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Herald caller + Sacred summons +Lawful Good Cleric + Lawful neutral god (Abadar)=?
I'm getting a null set. I wanted to double check my math.
For PFS, so i believe the expanded summoning is out.
When you use a summoning spell to summon a creature with an alignment or elemental subtype, it is a spell of that type. Creatures on Table: Summon Monster marked with an "*" are summoned with the celestial template, if you are good, and the fiendish template, if you are evil. If you are neutral, you may choose which template to apply to the creature. Creatures marked with an "*" always have an alignment that matches yours, regardless of their usual alignment. Summoning these creatures makes the summoning spell's type match your alignment.
Now since the cleric has a lawful good alignment , anything he summons marked with an * has a lawful good alignment as well. The resolute template (like the celestial and fiendish templates) Does not change this (oddly enough).
There doesn't appear to be anything LN on its own to summon. So they can't summon anything unless they forclose on a few orphanages and hop over to LN?
I think the Editor's Note on d20pfsrd explains this best, so:
This feat works off of the alignment subtype of a summoned creature, not the alignment of the creature. Effectively, this means that this feat will only work with creatures in the summon monster list whose subtypes (listed in the table itself) match your deity's alignment. Creatures marked with * cannot be summoned as a standard action with this feat, as they do not have the requisite alignment subtype(s).
Your aura is granted by your deity, so you're looking for exactly Lawful, which would be an Inevitable, which - sadly - doesn't appear on the base Summon Monster charts.
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Dunno if it's PFS legal, but there's the Summon Neutral Monster feat which does add some Inevitables - don't know if that's worth *another* feat, though.
EDIT: Ouch, just realized you can't even if you wanted to - *you* have to be Neutral to take it.
Sorry - in our home games, we just add these creatures to the summons list without need for the feats, since the feats have other good benefits, and Good and Neutral summons can use the extra presence without requiring a feat tax to access them.
So, he's right in that this particular combination can't actually summon anything?
Yeah, "Sacred" Summons is an odd duck in that it's actually most useful for Lawful or Chaotic Evil characters because there are considerably more Devils and Demons on the base list than any other extraplanar creatures.
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Herald caller + Sacred summons +Lawful Good Cleric + Lawful neutral god (Abadar)=?I'm getting a null set. I wanted to double check my math.
For PFS, so i believe the expanded summoning is out.
I could easily be wrong, but I was under the impression that since the archtype is legal, and it expressly gives access to the expanded summons list, then the expanded summons list was legal for the archtype. It might be a good question for addition to the campaign clarifications document.
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Developer quote from the product page:
I'm a little bit leary on the Herald Caller as well. Was it intentional to actually reduce their ability to Summon Monster? I'm not sure if this line "A herald caller can use summon monster spells only to summon creatures particularly appropriate to her deity." Elementals if they have a given Domain, are on the special list, or "creatures whose alignment matches at least one aspect of her deity’s alignment". Adding a Celestial (or other Template) DOES NOT CHANGE THIER ALIGNMENT. This is very similar to the confusion around the Sacred Summons Feat.No confusion, and entirely as intended. That means clerics of neutral, neutral good, and neutral evil deities make better herald callers, since more things are true neutral (and thus share one aspect of their deity's alignment).
You'd think druids might worship Eristil as well, but any who do aren't able to be LG.
It also seems a bit odd that they loose both Medium Armor and also Shields. Should probably be one or the other, as the Archtype seems like it needs to be right in the middle of things with it's expanded Channel Energy and Short Range of Summon Monster Spells.It's channel energy works for summoned creatures "even if they are out of her normal channel energy radius." So the herald called doesn't have to be anywhere near them. And summoned creatures can move beyond the range of summoning spells. So the herald caller has a good incentive to not be in the middle of things.