Hmm, I was actually thinking about using dragoon for the double WT damage to spears. This cannot work with Ricochet Toss, sadly (dragoons only get WT spears), but you can work with javelins/short spears and a blinkback belt.
I like it, because it gives you something to do with your ranged weapon despite disarming yourself.
Especially in the low levels, when returning enchantments or similar stuff is out of reach, you usually don't want to throw your weapon. Therefore I'd rank Power Attack even higher.
Your standard simple weapon Spear is probably the best weapon for this build. A trident might look awesome though.
Since the simple club is also in thie thrown group, you can do some large club shillelagh shenanighans with Vital Strike, I guess.
Does Two-Handed Thrower work with Startoss Comet?
You have the option (a good one in my mind) to also take Spear Dancing Style, capitalizing on your dex to get twf full rounds in melee and aoe goon disposal at range. It's a greater feat investment, but you're a fighter, so... Rather than trained initiative, go for trained throw for double your weapon training as damage on your throws. If you do take Spear Dancing Style, trained finesse will allow you the same boost on your melee, which then allows you to put less into str and more into dex or mental stats.
Ditch the full plate for mithral breastplate and take mutagen warrior to boost your str and dex easily and get nice goodies like fast healing, wings, or fortification.
Just my 2 cp.
You have the option (a good one in my mind) to also take Spear Dancing Style, capitalizing on your dex to get twf full rounds in melee and aoe goon disposal at range. It's a greater feat investment, but you're a fighter, so... Rather than trained initiative, go for trained throw for double your weapon training as damage on your throws. If you do take Spear Dancing Style, trained finesse will allow you the same boost on your melee, which then allows you to put less into str and more into dex or mental stats.
Ditch the full plate for mithral breastplate and take mutagen warrior to boost your str and dex easily and get nice goodies like fast healing, wings, or fortification.Just my 2 cp.
Except that that requires you to use two styles at once...
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Hmm, I was actually thinking about using dragoon for the double WT damage to spears. This cannot work with Ricochet Toss, sadly (dragoons only get WT spears), but you can work with javelins/short spears and a blinkback belt.
Dragoon can take Ricochet Toss, but they need to pay the Martial Focus feat tax.
EDIT: They don't even need the feat tax. The requirements of Ricochet Toss are "weapon training class feature with a ranged weapon." It doesn't need to be in the thrown weapon group, just weapon training. There are several ranged weapons in the spear group.
Except that that requires you to use two styles at once...You have the option (a good one in my mind) to also take Spear Dancing Style, capitalizing on your dex to get twf full rounds in melee and aoe goon disposal at range. It's a greater feat investment, but you're a fighter, so... Rather than trained initiative, go for trained throw for double your weapon training as damage on your throws. If you do take Spear Dancing Style, trained finesse will allow you the same boost on your melee, which then allows you to put less into str and more into dex or mental stats.
Ditch the full plate for mithral breastplate and take mutagen warrior to boost your str and dex easily and get nice goodies like fast healing, wings, or fortification.Just my 2 cp.
Oops. Wish there was a feat for that. Oh, wait, Weapon Style Mastery, in the same book. Only needs 2 different style feats, weapon training and +6 BAB. Not hard for this build at all.
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No, unfortunately. The Two-Handed Thrower feat reduces the action to a standard, but that standard is still one unique from Comet.I like it, because it gives you something to do with your ranged weapon despite disarming yourself.
Especially in the low levels, when returning enchantments or similar stuff is out of reach, you usually don't want to throw your weapon. Therefore I'd rank Power Attack even higher.Your standard simple weapon Spear is probably the best weapon for this build. A trident might look awesome though.
Since the simple club is also in thie thrown group, you can do some large club shillelagh shenanighans with Vital Strike, I guess.
Does Two-Handed Thrower work with Startoss Comet?
Startoss Style requires you to be using nothing in the off-hand, you you can't use a weapon two-handed or TWF and gain the benefits of the style.
Startoss Style requires you to be using nothing in the off-hand, you you can't use a weapon two-handed or TWF and gain the benefits of the style.
That is a good point that will likely reduce the damage of this build.
He can't use the better damage scaling of power attack nor get 1.5 strength damage to attacks with Startoss Style. Which makes it unlikely that it's actually worth taking Startoss Style for this build.
As Power attack at 1:3 with strength 1.5 is probably going to add more damage at higher levels, than the +6 damage having all three feats would grant him.
At level 12, power attack alone is granting him 12 point of damage two handed (which disable startoss style) vs 8 from power attack with only one hand. That a 4 point difference, which accounts for 2/3 of the damage from startoss style. Strength is 21, which is 5 points of damage, or 7 points two handed. Which accounts for the last 2 from the 3rd startoss style feat.
SO basically this build is using both (but actually can't) and is 6 damage lower than the numbers above, and should probably ditch Startoss Style.
Startoss Style requires you to be using nothing in the off-hand, you you can't use a weapon two-handed or TWF and gain the benefits of the style.That is a good point that will likely reduce the damage of this build.
He can't use the better damage scaling of power attack nor get 1.5 strength damage to attacks with Startoss Style. Which makes it unlikely that it's actually worth taking Startoss Style for this build.
As Power attack at 1:3 with strength 1.5 is probably going to add more damage at higher levels, than the +6 damage having all three feats would grant him.
At level 12, power attack alone is granting him 12 point of damage two handed (which disable startoss style) vs 8 from power attack with only one hand. That a 4 point difference, which accounts for 2/3 of the damage from startoss style. Strength is 21, which is 5 points of damage, or 7 points two handed. Which accounts for the last 2 from the 3rd startoss style feat.
SO basically this build is using both (but actually can't) and is 6 damage lower than the numbers above, and should probably ditch Startoss Style.
Sure, ditch it in melee, but it's a great option for ranged damage, and allows you to split your damage through the enemies, which is nice to have when needed. That's where my suggestion of Spear Dancing comes in, boosts melee output by quite a bit.
Ah, damn. How did I miss that? Ah well, it still has potential as a higher armor class 'spear and buckler' melee build. That bonus damage is no joke, and partially off-sets the loss from going one-handed. Might drop power attack, though. Or, the focus could shift to ranged, while retaining the ability to fight in melee without precise shot.Startoss Style requires you to be using nothing in the off-hand, you you can't use a weapon two-handed or TWF and gain the benefits of the style.No, unfortunately. The Two-Handed Thrower feat reduces the action to a standard, but that standard is still one unique from Comet.I like it, because it gives you something to do with your ranged weapon despite disarming yourself.
Especially in the low levels, when returning enchantments or similar stuff is out of reach, you usually don't want to throw your weapon. Therefore I'd rank Power Attack even higher.Your standard simple weapon Spear is probably the best weapon for this build. A trident might look awesome though.
Since the simple club is also in thie thrown group, you can do some large club shillelagh shenanighans with Vital Strike, I guess.
Does Two-Handed Thrower work with Startoss Comet?
Spear is a two handed weapon, so unfortunately you would need both hands to use it in melee, thus negating Startoss bounses to damage. UNLESS you take Spear Dancing Spiral which lets you use any spear or polearm like it was a quarterstaff for feats. Then Quarterstaff Master to use your "quarterstaff" one handed. Now you don't even need the buckler, can take a heavy shield.
I know I'm pushing Spear Dancing a lot here, but it's a great combo that seems to be ignored for some reason.
The easier change is just change spear to trident. One-handed, same damage, and the ability to use the supremely cool fighter's fork.
Fine, ruin the concept and just make Aquaman. :p Still, you are correct except for a couple things:
1) Trident is x2 crit where as spears are x32) Most importantly, tridents only have a 10ft throw range. Spears are double that at 20ft.
Would much rather spend a few of the gazillion feats fighters receive to make a spear work than halve my effective range and reduce my crit damage for no improved threat range.
Sure, ditch it in melee, but it's a great option for ranged damage, and allows you to split your damage through the enemies, which is nice to have when needed. That's where my suggestion of Spear Dancing comes in, boosts melee output by quite a bit.
In order to use it ranged he will need Quarterstaff Master and Spear Dancing Style feats, in a build he already had complete for the level.
My understanding was that the build was primarily focused around melee, because it just so happened that Startoss Style wasn't restricted to applying only when used for ranged attacks.
EDIT: They don't even need the feat tax. The requirements of Ricochet Toss are "weapon training class feature with a ranged weapon." It doesn't need to be in the thrown weapon group, just weapon training. There are several ranged weapons in the spear group.
Interesting, I was sure Ricochet Toss required weapon training with the thrown weapons group. If it doesn't, even better... although a blinkback belt would save the feat that a dragon can use for getting an animal companion for a cavalry character who can either charge with a lance or skirmish with javelins/short spears. A pity that startoss style does not work if you have a non-buckler shield in the other hand.
Speaking of which, would the dragoon extra bonus damage be doubled by Trained Throw? Normally two doubles count as a triple in Pathfinder, but the spear training of a dragoon gives a numerical bonus to damage.