Party Advice for this Saturday :S


Council of Thieves


Hey guys, im going to start play this AP in Saturday, i need some advice for my char, this only core book :(, 20 pt buy, 2 traits(1 for AP), we are 4 player:

-A bard o Cleric.
-A Ranger Ranged (i tried to convince be melee or switch hitter)
-A Conjure Wizard.
- And me :P rogue shadowdancer will be fine? a fighter?, thx ^^


Without a Cleric the campaign can be quite hard. And a meat shield never hurts. So maybe a Paladin or Crusader Cleric?

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Fabius Maximus wrote:
Without a Cleric the campaign can be quite hard. And a meat shield never hurts. So maybe a Paladin or Crusader Cleric?

If they can walk the alignment tightrope, a Paladin can be quite powerful in this AP.


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A lot depends on how close your GM sticks to the AP as a whole.

Having GM'd the campaign myself, I can say that a trap-monkey is not really needed. There are a couple here and there, but this AP doesn't feature deathtrap dungeons.

What it does feature is a lot of:

  • Social scenes
  • Charisma based mechanics (especially for campaign resolution
  • Combat against humans (mostly) and tieflings (to a lesser extent). Seriously. Masses, and masses of unfriendly humans.
  • Despite the "Shadow Curse"... not actually much that's shadowy.
  • Bonuses for taking some adversaries alive. I'd strongly recommend investing in merciful weapons as soon as possible.
  • A lot of extra damage / nastiness against humans
  • Some devils and DR/good and/or silver things. Mostly later on.
  • Perform (act). Seriously.

A CRB rogue? I'd suggest not, really. Your party is lacking flanking buddies and frontliners, meaning combat will be decidedly unpleasant.

A paladin would be decidedly potent in this AP, but it will shape how certain things go. Book 5 is unlikely to go the "expected" route if there's a paladin in the party... which isn't really a problem, to be frank.

A melee fighter would work well too.

Honestly though... I'd actually suggest a strength based bard, as it will not only make the ranger weep tears of joy, but the campaign benefits a lot from a high charisma character and someone with Perform (act). Going either combat reflexes with a longspear or dipping Barbarian or Fighter for martial weapons and a greatsword or falchion works nicely, as does great cleave as there are a lot of encounters against groups of lower level enemies.

No. Really.

A significant amount of XP and campaign outcome is tied up with Charisma, Perform and social skill checks...


Chelish Divas.

Go for female dwarf with a horned helmet and dwarf axe
Half-orc with falchion(more crits) or greataxe.


Some additional notes:

Tieflings: While the alternate tiefling traits aren't CRB, they are part of the AP and published in the back of Bastards of Erebus (the first book). If your GM permits, a Demon-Spawn tiefling gets +2 Str, +2 Cha and -2 Int, which is awesome for bards or paladins. There are also a whole pile of options to replace the darkness SLA ability. Bards in particular work well, as you get disguise self to be able to move around a bit easier.

As tieflings do not have a level adjustment in Pathfinder, and present some interesting hooks for the campaign, it's definitely something to consider.

Rebelling against Thrune: Generally speaking this is not what the AP is about (despite the opening speech), and the AP as a whole really doesn't support it. If you want to take part in a revolution, ask your GM to run Hell's Rebels. Council of Thieves isn't that AP unless the GM puts a TON of work into it. Just thought I'd point that out.

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