Making a fighter that protects everyone's Will saves


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Ultimate Intrigue features some interesting new feats:

Improved Bravery, which lets a fighter apply their bravery bonus on all mind-affecting effects, and Inspiring Bravery, which lets the fighter apply their bravery bonus towards all of their allies within 30 feet (including against mind-affecting effects if you have Improved Bravery).

I intend to stack this with a sash of the war champion, so that his bravery bonus treats him as having four more levels of fighter than he already has.

Is there anything else I could stack on top of this to boost not just his own Will saves, but those around him?

Scarab Sages

Flagbearer + Banner of the Ancient Kings, possibly taking the Dragoon archetype for access to the Banner class feature as well, and Rallying armor.


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GM: What are you playing?

Player: I am going to be the party tank, protecting the party not just against physical threats, but mental ones as well. ;)

I wonder if multiple fighters with these feats could stack the bonuses for one another? The Bravery bonuses appear to be untyped. Do the separate fighters count as separate sources? ;)

The Exchange

What about AWT: Armed Bravery?
The fighter applies his bonus from bravery to Will saving throws.


So I don't have the book but,
are you sure Inspiring Bravery carry overs any changes to bravery?

Scarab Sages

Chess Pwn wrote:

So I don't have the book but,

are you sure Inspiring Bravery carry overs any changes to bravery?

Inspiring Bravery specifically allows the bonuses from Improved Bravery to be applied to allies. It wouldn't work with the AWT Armed Bravery though.


That's pretty neat.

Designer

These feats get a mention in today's blog. :)

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I wonder if multiple fighters with these feats could stack the bonuses for one another? The Bravery bonuses appear to be untyped. Do the separate fighters count as separate sources? ;)

The source is bravery, so it wouldn't stack with several fighters. However, try stacking it with a paladin's auras for two buddies who really buff some saves!

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Inspiring Bravery specifically allows the bonuses from Improved Bravery to be applied to allies. It wouldn't work with the AWT Armed Bravery though.

You can also get some social bravery on and help out of combat too!

Scarab Sages

Mark Seifter wrote:


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Inspiring Bravery specifically allows the bonuses from Improved Bravery to be applied to allies. It wouldn't work with the AWT Armed Bravery though.
You can also get some social bravery on and help out of combat too!

True, and those out of combat buffs can be useful in combat too, as they can increase the DC to demoralize or feint.

Designer

Mark Seifter wrote:

These feats get a mention in today's blog. :)

On that note, enjoy!

Grand Lodge

Courage in a bottle could work. Maybe. It might just work for you. Flavor is solid though.

Don't be afraid my friendsh, hold my beer, I got thish.


Band of the Stalwart Warrior from Ultimate Equipment has the same "four levels higher" effect on bravery as the Sash, though I'm not sure if they'd stack.


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They are both untyped bonuses (if it can even be considered bonuses) from different sources. Why wouldn't they stack?


True enough. I guess that I've simply had too many GMs who'd rule otherwise, claiming it to be two sources of the same effect or something, to be optimistic about these kinds of things. Shouldn't be a problem by RAW.


Bonuses from the same source do not stack, even if they are untyped.


One could claim that the effect of each is "instead of your actual level, use your actual level plus four." In which case you could apply both and you'd still end up with actual level plus four. The rules text supports this for the sash but not the band, IMHO, so it's kinda unclear.


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I see some merit in Fuzzy-Wuzzy's interpretation, but how are they possibly the same source, CampinCarl9127? They are two distinctly separate magical items each providing individual effects.

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